Letters to the Editor

Letter: Meat options

April 29, 2014

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To the editor:

It’s perversely ironic for rancher Cliven Bundy to excoriate poor people for collecting government subsidies while ripping off the federal government of a million dollars in grazing fees. But, even if he were to pay up, Bundy and his fellow ranchers, would still be living on government welfare.

Livestock grazing is subsidized by federal agencies on 270 million acres of public land in 11 western states to the tune of nearly $300 million annually. Monthly grazing fees per cow and calf on private rangeland average $11.90, but corresponding fees on federal lands are set at a paltry $1.35.

Even so, grazing subsidies are dwarfed by other government subsidies and the medical, environmental and other external costs imposed on society by animal agriculture. These extra costs have been estimated at $414 billion annually, or $3,600 per household.

Each of us can make our $3,600 annual contribution to the common good by replacing animal products in our diet with the rich variety of grain-, nut- and soy-based meat and dairy alternatives in our neighborhood supermarket.

Comments

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Stewart you should view Bundy's entire statement and not just the edited version. He was, albeit it in a unpolished manner,trying to point out how federal programs hurt minorities. He was trying to be supportive of minorities.

As far as his debt, well he is on his own there. Can't defend not paying the fees.

Bob Forer 1 year ago

Brock, you need to keep up better with current events. Your favorite bigot has made several statements to the press. Here is one as reported by the New York Times:

"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

By the way, Brock, why do you hide behind the name of a porn star (Brock Masters)? Why not use your real name and comply with LJW policy. Are you afraid that folks who know you will be a little outraged over your support of a unmitigated and unreconstituted bigot?

Bundy suggested that young black men are in jail because they never learned to pick cotton. How in heaven's name is that being supportive of minorities?

Brock Masters 1 year ago

First Bob I had no idea that there was a porn star with the same name. I won't ask how you know.

You are starting to act like a stalker Bob. Kind of creepy. You can learn a lot about me from my long established FB page. Visit sometime. Friend me if you'd like.

Why don't you focus on what I write instead of attacking me?

Did you view the entire video? The comments you wrote are in the video but the video portrays a very different context than just an excerpt.

I will give you one chance to stop attacking me and focus on attacking my points. Show them to be wrong and I will engage you. Attack me then I will treat you like a troll and ignore you

Bob Forer 1 year ago

First Bob I had no idea that there was a porn star with the same name. I won't ask how you know. --I googled Brock Masters, and came up with one person, who is a porn star.

You are starting to act like a stalker Bob. Kind of creepy --If calling a person to task for supporting a bigoted racist is stalking and creepy, then I stand convicted as accused.

You can learn a lot about me from my long established FB page. Visit sometime. Friend me if you'd like. --I googled "Brock Masters" facebook, and came up with up a perfunctory entry with no information. The page was started about the time the LJW changed their policy. Try again. And I am still curious. Wny are you hiding behind a false identity? Are you ashamed of your own opinions? .

Did you view the entire video? The comments you wrote are in the video but the video portrays a very different context than just an excerpt. --stating that young blacks are in jail because they didn't learn how to pick cotton doesn't need context. Its stands on its own as a vile and bigoted statement of a man you are defending.

I will give you one chance to stop attacking me and focus on attacking my points --then what? Are you going to hold your breath until you turn blue, and throw yourself upon the ground and kick and scream?

By the way, I asked you how is stating that young blacks are in jail because they never learned to pick cotton supportive of minorities. You conveniently ignored my question. .
Go ahead and answer, if you can. Humor me, please. Knock yourself out. I am very curuious.

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Bob. Make you a deal. If I can prove I've had my FB page for years will you just go away?

Yes, the cotton comment is very poorly stated and when taken alone sounds very racist. However, when taken in context with the rest of what he said, it is still poorly stated, but you can infer that he meant that when the government created a welfare state they took away the motivation and abilities of minorities to earn a living. Without family life and something productive to do with their lives many turned to crime.

As for what will I do, I will simply ignore you. This is what you do with trolls.

So Bob - willing to out your money where your mouth is? I prove that I had my FB page for years and you go away. I don't and I will go away?

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Bob defending someone does not mean you agree with them. For example, I have defended the Phelps right to free speech. I detest their message and their actions .

I don't support Bundy's not paying but people need to view the entire video of what he said. They may come to the same conclusion but at least it will be based on fact and not an edited version.

I am very supportive of all races, genders and gender. I detest racial and gender discrimination. My previous posts support this. So call me a bigot if you like, but it has no truth.

Bob Forer 1 year ago

Brock, you wrote:

"He was trying to be supportive of minorities"

You still haven't explained how his comments support minorities.

i'll do you one better. you deliver to me one miniority person who believes this nice man is supportive of minorities, and I will go away.

And by the way, why are you just about the one person still defendning the guy. Even your hero, Ron Paul stated the comments were vile and racist.

Post a link to your facebook page.

Brock Masters 1 year ago

i'll do you one better. you deliver to me one miniority person who believes this nice man is supportive of minorities, and I will go away.

Here you go Bob. One minority who believes Bundy was trying to be supportive of minorities. Now keep your word and go away. BTW how did I know about this article? Because the Blacksphere is one of my favorite FB pages.

Wow, Bob, you made my day. Now go away.

http://theblacksphere.net/2014/4/black-marine-clive-bundy-no-racist

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Here is the real issue. We desensitize society to real issues of racism when we try to label everyone who says something negative about minorities as racist.

Is Bundy inarticulate, ignorant to the fact that negro and colored are archaic and demeaning terms and a deadbeat? Yep, sure is. But is he a racist? I don't know him so I can't say for sure, but the entire video paints a very different picture than the excerpts floated out there by the media.

Judge him if you want but view the entire video before you do. Context is important.

Bob Forer 1 year ago

"But is he a racist? I don't know him so I can't say for sure"

You're backtracking Brock. Your first comment was: "He was trying to be supportive of minorities."

He likes minorities. He was trying to help them. But you don't know whether he is a racist? So you think he could be a racist but you are certrain he was merely trying to help minorities. A benevolent racist? Yeah, just like all those wonderful Southern slave owners who loved them some negroes.

Do you know the "rule of the hole" It's very simple: When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

And BTW, deliver to me a real minority, not some uncle tom hankerchef head pundit.

Still waiting on that facebook page link. Why are you so evasive on this?

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Wow, what a hateful and racist comment. Uncle Tom, really?

You said deliver you a minority and you'd go away. I deliver two. One a well respected talk show host and the other a veteran.

Bob you are showing your true colors by disparaging two men for their views.

I will no longer engage you. Not because you're not a man of your word, not because you attack me, but because you have shown yourself to be the racist with your Uncle Tom and handkerchief comments. They are vile.

Bob Forer 1 year ago

You cannot engage me, because you have no legimate responses. Your pretextual rationale, that I am a racist is quite laughable. A nd BTW, you have some nerve calling a racist. You don't know me, buddy. 1966 my entire family--the only white people present--were arrested along with others at a sit-in demonstration at a construction site in Elizabeth, New Jersey. They were building a public court house and refused to hire black people. I am proud to be the third gneration in my family to have actively fought against racism.

What the hell have you done in your life to combat what you claim is vile?

Buh bye.

Bob Forer 1 year ago

"Because the Blacksphere is one of my favorite FB pages."

Translation: Some of my best friends are Uncle Toms.

Leslie Swearingen 1 year ago

I did click and I found our that the Blacksphere is not a facebook page, Kevin Jackson is just one blogger on Liberty Alliance which calls itself the leader in conservative media. black marine who is pictured with Bunday is called Charlie Delta.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=charlie%20delta

There are conservatives of all races and backgrounds. There are minorities who have bought into the myth that whites are superior in every way and actually taken the most rabid white conservatives to be role models.

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Leslie then if the Blacksphere doesn't have a Facebook page what is this?

https://www.facebook.com/theblacksphere.net

Are you suggesting Kevin Jackson can't think for himself? If ind him to be a very intelligent and articulate man.

Brock Masters 1 year ago

BTW Leslie, did you look at the link you posted? Very demeaning toward women. You might rethink posting it. Doubt, based on your previous posts, you meant to post something so crude toward women.

Leslie Swearingen 1 year ago

Brock, I did indeed look at the link, my point is that it is strange that the marine is named Charlie Delta considering what that stands for, maybe it means the whole page is fraudulent. I think that picture of Bundy and the black soldier was photoshopped and someone did not know what charlie delta means in marine lingo and unawares put it up for viewing.

Okay, Jackson has a Facebook page. But the fact does remain that Blackshere is a very conservation organization so we need to take that into account.

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Leslie what difference does it make if Kevin Jackson is conservative? Bob said deliver him one minority that supports Bundy and he will leave. Jackson is minority and he supports Bundy. Bob reneged on deal and called him an offensive name meant to demean blacks.

Richard Heckler 1 year ago

Bundy and his militia buddies should be arrested and prosecuted. My guess is the FBI will not take kindly to federal agents being met with a vast array of fire power.

Bundy should fork over the dough or have agents proceed with confiscation. Too many years of warnings is more than enough.

This type of leasing may well be destroying taxpayer owned property. Kick Bundy out. AND stop leasing to wealthy profiteers or anyone for that matter.

Repairing properties will put taxpayers in the hole.

Richard Heckler 1 year ago

As a source of protein Tofu is by far the best bang for the buck. Darn right. The beyond reality cost of meat drove me to brown rice and veggies 35 years ago then Seitan,Tofu and Tempeh came along.

Central Soy Tofu is the freshest in the region,organic/no GMO's, hand made 3 times a week, heart healthy and gluten free.

Brock Masters 1 year ago

Richard, for some reason I always imagined you as a fan of Spam. Who knew?

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