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Kansas delegation holds position of making government funding contingent on delaying Obamacare

October 2, 2013

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As the federal government shutdown entered its second day, U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins defended her vote to fund government contingent on putting in place a one-year delay on the Affordable Care Act requirement that millions of people buy health insurance.

"She feels getting the government up and running is an urgent matter and is disheartened the U.S. Senate rejected not only this proposal, but a simple call to set up a committee to come to a compromise. If we do not talk, problems can never be solved," her office said. Jenkins, of Topeka, is a Republican whose district includes Lawrence.

Members of Kansas' all-Republican congressional delegation oppose the ACA and have supported efforts to repeal it.

"Unfortunately, Senate Democrats and President Obama refuse to come to the table and work toward a responsible solution with those who disagree with them. They would rather shut down the government than negotiate," said U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran.

Even as many government agencies closed their doors, health insurance exchanges that are at the core of President Barack Obama's health care law were up and running, taking applications for coverage that would start Jan. 1.

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Cait McKnelly 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the bedrock of traditional Republicanism, now says that it will get involved in Republican primaries by providing financial support to incumbent Republicans who vote to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling.
Looks like the Kansas delegation will be losing a major source of campaign funds. I'm also curious how the KCC is taking this.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-traditional-gop-allies-defecting-big-business-leaders-take-sides-with-obama

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Richard Heckler 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Beginning next week, thousands of home buyers will be unable to get approvals for their mortgages because of the government shutdown, potentially undercutting the nation’s resurgent housing market.

Without paperwork from the Internal Revenue Service, the Social Security Administration and in many cases the Federal Housing Administration, banks and other mortgage lenders will be less willing to make loans, if they can make them at all. Lenders, for instance, rely on the IRS to confirm borrowers’ income and the Social Security agency to confirm their identify.

Every day that government offices remain shuttered will delay an ever-larger fraction of mortgage closings, industry leaders say, jeopardizing mortgage and interest-rate approvals and spooking sellers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/shutdown-will-stall-home-loans-for-thousands/2013/10/04/47b8cb10-2c4a-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.html?hpid=z1

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Richard Heckler 6 months, 2 weeks ago

End GOP Obstruction!!!

The debt-ceiling crisis threatens not just the president's constitutional duty to make payments on the public debt but also the accompanying requirement that he spend money lawfully appropriated by Congress, either as part of a yearly budget or as part of statutes authorizing “entitlement” payments like Medicare or veterans' benefits.

Failing to do any of these things would be a default on the president's duty to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” The president may not be able to obey all three sources of law; if so, Aaron argues, he should make the payments and ignore the debt ceiling.

“The debt ceiling is the fiscal equivalent of the human appendix — a law with no discoverable purpose,” he writes. “If Congress leaves the debt ceiling at a level inconsistent with duly enacted spending and tax laws, the president has no choice but to ignore it.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/if-congress-wont-raise-the-debt-ceiling-obama-will-be-forced-to-break-the-law/280176/

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jafs 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's odd that a very small minority can hold things up so much.

If it's true that the CR would pass in the House given an up-down vote, I wonder why we let such small minorities block the process.

This isn't the only example of that, of course. And, I've always thought it odd - it's one thing to give a minority a voice and a very different thing to let a very small minority interfere with the routine functioning of our government.

I guess Boehner is afraid of being "primaried" by the radical right?

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Cait McKnelly 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Apparently, ol' Abe Lincoln had something to say about this mess.

"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.
This, plainly stated, is your language.
In that supposed event, you say, you will destroy the Union; and then, you say, the great crime of having destroyed it will be upon us! That is cool. A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear, and mutters through his teeth, "Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!"
From the Cooper Union address, February 27, 1860

In another note, the approval of the GOP is tanking so badly that even Faux Noise is talking about it.

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Armstrong 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I like Barry's no negotiation concept it really highlights his ineptness in leadership - like he was ever qualified in the first place.

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OlDan 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Let's see...I think I remember that both the Democrats and the media said that the T-Party was irrelevant and dead some months ago. Yes, as I think about it...I'm pretty sure I remeber they said it was dead.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/06/tea-party-is-dead-how-the-movement-fizzled-in-2012-s-gop-primaries.html

Will 2014 be a repeat of 2010 with the Rs claiming the Senate as well? Could be...the Senate has been rejecting every effort by the House to fund important programs. Who is really keeping the government in shut down mode? Ds have refused funding measures from the House to fund programs like NIH and Parks among others. People are beginning to understand what the real story is despite name calling, lies and propaganda from Obama, Ds, and the media. The Rs are attempting to re-open the government. The Ds are refusing to let that happen and blaming the Rs. Funny world we live in.

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koman 6 months, 2 weeks ago

President Obama just needs to continually call Boehner out on this. Over and over and over. Keep ratcheting up the pressure. Ask him why he hates democracy so much that he no longer believe in up or down votes. Put the clean CR to a vote in the house. It's that simple. Either Boehner will do it or there can be no doubt who 100% of the blame falls upon. Boehner is done, the baggers think he's a moderate and everyone else thinks he's just dumb and scared to lead. What's scary is that Cantor will be the next speaker. Very scary.

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Les Blevins 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's your call Rep Lynn Jenkins. Which should the U.S. protect and hold higher, Speaker John Beano's image or the economy and credit worthiness of the U.S.?

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Larry Moss 6 months, 2 weeks ago

John Boehner 202-225-6205 Lynn Jenkins 202-225-6601 Tell them thanks for exposing the lunatic Democrats running Washington.

Thanks for not being the name callers. Thanks for not yelling to fake their concern. Thanks for not using our Veterans as pones for political gain. Thanks for not having to fake additional crisis' where actual crisis is less than was sold.

And, Mainly thanks for trying your best to ensure all Americans are treated equally under the law.

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yourworstnightmare 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The democrats should now insist that an assault weapons ban be part of this resolution, and insist it be passed lest the shutdown continue. They should also then say that the GOP are unwilling to compromise when they refuse to vote on it.

Extortion.

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Hawkanator 6 months, 2 weeks ago

John Boehner 202-225-6205 Lynn Jenkins 202-225-6601

Tell them to bring the untainted resolution to the floor for a vote NOW!

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Bottom line....These racist bigots we sent to Congress hate the president. They cannot stomach the black guy that beat out their white candidate. The president himself has noted that they are rehasning the failed election.

This is what we get Kansas. Are you proud? Does this aggregation of ignorant bigots present what you want Kansas attitudes to be?

Are you proud??

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koman 6 months, 2 weeks ago

So, if President Obama decides he wants a complete assault weapons ban added to passed and decided gun legislation then he can say he will veto everything and shut down the government if he doesn't get the ban and then say it's the republicans fault because they won't rewrite legislation that is already law?

Why does Boehner hate democracy so much? All he has to do is put the clean CR up for a vote and it will pass. Fact. So, both houses of congress and the President want a clean CR, but the oddly tan, smoking one is too scared of the baggers to even put something up for a vote? And we think all of the terrorists are foreign? These baggers are trying to destroy the country.

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yourworstnightmare 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Fact: the GOP attached an unrelated issue, defunding the ACA, to the budget resolution. In other words, extortion.

The GOP are squarely to blame for this shutdown. Remove the ACA attachment, which is unrelated to the issue at hand, and this would sail through.

Instead, the GOP want to wage legislative extortion by holding a gun to the head of the economy if the ACA is not defunded.

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bear1956 6 months, 2 weeks ago

TJ, I suppose you blame believe a woman who is raped shares the blame with her rapist or that hostages in a hostage situation share the blame with the hostage takers. The only people in denial are those who support the Republicans,

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TJ_in_Lawrence 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It takes two to tango. Everyone who is blaming the other side 100% are just lying to themselves. Both sides are to blame and anyone who says otherwise is just in denial.

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cowboy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Whats even more appalling is her stunt today at the WW2 memorial. Shutdowners grandstanding for political purposes on hallowed ground of our proud veterans. You should be ashamed of yourself Jenkins. That is the lowest of low political stunts.

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cowboy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Whats even more appalling is her stunt today at the WW@ memorial. Shutdowners grandstanding for political purposes on hallowed ground of our proud veterans. You should be ashamed of yourself Jenkins. That is the lowest of low political stunts.

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Number_1_Grandma 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Bottom line here is Republicans didn't like the last election results and are now holding us citizens hostage! Time to throw these bums out... including Lynn Jenkins as she only represents the Koch Brothers. Please remember this shut down at the next elections. Lynn Jenkins will be up for re-election. Show her that shutting down the government is an act of quitting and we voters will accept HER resignation at the next election!

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Cait McKnelly 6 months, 2 weeks ago

"She feels getting the government up and running is an urgent matter and is disheartened the U.S. Senate rejected not only this proposal, but a simple call to set up a committee to come to a compromise..."
This absolutely made my blood boil. For SIX MONTHS the Senate BEGGED the House to set up a committee to hash out a compromise acceptable to both chambers and the House thumbed it's nose at the Senate. The House didn't "request" a bi-chamber committee until 48 hours before the shutdown and Jenkins is blaming the SENATE because they rejected it? Really? REALLY?????????
How disingenuous of you, Lynn.

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Mike Ford 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I get into 80 decibel yelling matches with her staffers on a regular basis. I'd suggest people start protesting at her office in Topeka. This idea's crossed my mind many times. Protesting politely is our right. She needs to know that she represents people other north, south, and west of Topeka.

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bear1956 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I tried calling and of course didn't get a live person. I then emailed her. It has now been 30 hours and I have not gotten a response. I usually get some narcissistic drivel from her that has no relationship to the issue. I haven't even gotten that this time. When I lived in Topeka she was my state senator. It was the same thing then. She would not talk to you unless you agreed with her.

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nick_s 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I just tried to call & got her voicemail, which is conveniently full. Do you mean to tell me she isnt checking her voicemail & returning the important phone calls of her constituents? Oh man, now Im really hacked. What else does she have to do? I know she's not working, haha.

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verity 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Interesting article in Slate about how democracy works---or is supposed to work---and how we are being perceived by people outside the country.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2013/10/_government_shutdown_the_view_from_overseas_does_not_favor_the_gop.html

"Obamacare is the law, as confirmed by the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of our political system. A portion of one of those branches is therefore not now legally or morally empowered to change that law by holding other parts of the government hostage, no matter how strongly its members or their constituents feel. So how is it possible that so many Americans, including some who have been elected to Congress, no longer understand this principle, so fundamental to our entire political system, and so vitally necessary to the functioning of democracies around the world? I repeat, democracy is not designed to reflect majority opinion. It is designed to filter majority opinion through legitimate institutions and to translate it, through agreed procedures, into policy."

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kernal 6 months, 2 weeks ago

This entire hullabaloo by the Republicans is nothing but a last ditch effort power play. I find it repugnant they are still collecting their salaries because they are considered "essential" personnel while all the Federal employees they caused to be furloughed get squat. Plus, this shutdown is costing us millions and will cost more due to delays of ongoing projects by agencies such as FEMA (good luck to Colorado!), Army Corp of Engineers, FDA, EPA, etc. This same party also cost Americans millions by wasting time with their forty plus efforts to repeal The Affordable Care Act, a/k/a Obamacare.

Kind of makes me wonder if they don't have the smarts to take care of what really needs to be taken care of and are concentrating on deterring the public from their lack of expertise, initiative and brain power.

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Richard Heckler 6 months, 2 weeks ago

This action reveals the true ignorance of the GOP and their misinformation campaign loaded with lies and distortions. Who wants to return to the days which allowed the medical insurance industry to cut off patients at will? How can one political party be more significantly stupid than the other? Well we have the ALEC Right Wing Party posing as the GOP being evermore stupid than the democrats.

No mean feat I must say. And it does not stop with Obamcare.

Here's the trouble with the medical insurance industry. People spend thousands of dollars a year to have an industry either drop a client or tell a client that they have not paid enough for a service to be rendered.

Consumers pay thousands of dollars a year in the event something might happen only to start over at the next cycle to keep paying in the event something might happen. And all of that money paid the previous year or previous years means nothing no matter whether a client used the insurance or not. Talk about a scam.

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verity 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I have asked my Rep (Mike Pompeo) several times what he would do in place of the ACA since he wants it gone. While he (or his interns) send me circular letters which say nothing, I have never gotten a reply to that question. He has been trying to collect stories about people's bad experiences with Obamacare---or their fear of a bad experience. He only posted three, mostly rather questionable in his email asking for more stories, so I'm supposing he didn't get the response he was looking for. He didn't post my response supporting the Act---just mentioned that a few people did.

I did receive a reply when I asked the question of Moran. It's too long to post here, but it looks like some things are already in the ACA and others are very questionable---"We can extend rational pre-existing condition protections in the non-group health insurance markets for those with continuous creditable coverage, thus rewarding responsible persons who  buy and maintain coverage." So, if you couldn't get insurance before for a preexisting condition, you still couldn't get it because you are not responsible. Yeah, that works.

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Garth Atchison 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Here is the deal: these people don't want a functioning government, because they are anarchists in libertarian clothing. They have no respect for the Constitution and are only familiar with one of the ammendments. They would rather have the impoverished live in slums, health-care to the highest bidder, and a bullet for anyone that disagrees. They believe that racial minorities are threats, not citizens. There is no fair and balanced approach with them. They are doing everything they can to erode the ideals and process that has allowed such a thing as an American Dream to exist.

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grammaddy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The last time we tried to bargain with the Republicans we ended up with the sequester. Stand your ground Obama! Our legislators have the best health insurance money can buy, and WE pay for it. How dare they try to deny the rest of us health care. I'm betting those idiots duck and dodge and hold the debt ceiling hostage next. Vote Them Out in 2014!!

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toe 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Democrats want to rule by decree. Ignoring nearly half the population. They want to turn Americans against one another by taxing those that do not want to go along as punishment. Democrats want to enslave their opposition. This battle will go on for generations and grow more fierce in time. There is nothing worth saving in America if it is unjust.

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nocrybabies 6 months, 2 weeks ago

When the lawmakers have to subscribe to the same exact healthcare benefits as the people they represent the problem will get better very fast. Until then, their constituents are of little importance.

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yourworstnightmare 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The fact is, the GOP attached an unrelated measure, defunding the ACA, to the budget resolution. This is clearly extortion.

Roberts, Moran, and Jenkins all support this tactic of extortion, of attaching an unrelated bill to the spending bill.

Jenkins, Roberts, and Moran are doing great harm to Kansas and the nation through this tactic of extortion.

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redks 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I agree it's treason.
You have to stop playing these petty games, Congresswoman, to keep your ignorant base happy, and get some real work accomplished. You are hurting our government and in turn hurting the people. We who are not ignorant will do our very best to vote you out of office.

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Enlightenment 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's interesting that the House Republicans are upset because the Senate Democrats are not open to negotiating and compromise. The Republicans do not offer a compromise, they flat out want the ACA eliminated. How is that a compromise?

Seems to me the Right is just concerned that the ACA, despite the glitches, will be successful. The Republican benefactors include major employers that are able to retain good workers by holding health insurance over their head. Now with the ACA, many entrepreneurial minded people will be leaving their employers and starting up their own businesses because they can afford insurance, thus creating competition and forcing employers to pay an acceptable wage to retain good workers. Of course the Right wants to repeal the ACA, they won't get any financial backing to keep them in office if the ACA is successful.

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gccs14r 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Seems like we ought to be able to have the Tea Party obstructionists arrested for malfeasance.

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6 months, 2 weeks ago

BTW, the LJW lost everyone's avatar. You need to update your profile.

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6 months, 2 weeks ago

So far The Teapublicans have done nothing but obstruct and try to force the rest of the government to a bargaining table while holding a gun to their head. Our representatives are arm-in-arm with this philosophy. They all should be thrown out on their ears.

Additionally, I'll bet that if you asked them, all would say that they're going to accept their paychecks while doing nothing to alleviate the pain of those whose aren't receiving anything. They owe nothing to the people, just to the money behind the ideology that elected them.

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Larry Sturm 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Why don't we put it like it is Obama is black.

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cowboy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

I called also , hard to control the frustration .

It is completely agonizing to listen to ill informed people spout off about things they have no knowledge of past a propaganda talking point they heard on talk radio or fox news. Breaking news the deficit is dropping at record rates , spending is reduced and held at sequester levels , The ACA and Obama care are one and the same and were passed by congress , upheld by the Supreme Court , not foisted upon the people in the middle of the night. The economy is improving at a steady rate and had congress been proactive rather than a blocker it could be much better.

The right has staked out such extreme positions that they can't retreat or Big Daddy Koch will primary them. Your party bought and paid for cannot govern.

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chocolateplease 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The Affordable Care Act is the law, and it was deemed constitutional by the supreme court. The republicans are showing grave disrespect for all citizens of this country when they take the entire federal budget as a hostage in order to try and get their way over something they already lost. Disgusting.

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In_God_we_trust 6 months, 2 weeks ago

President Obama and Sen. Harry Reid's strategy is to force higher spending for the government, without agreeing to a budget, validated by the House and congress. The ultimate outcome if successful would be that the President and Sen. Harry Reid would plunge the country into a crisis every time they want to spend more than has been permitted by the congress. It would in effect strip the House of their constitutional power of the purse. This could in effect, create a dictatorship over the US. The President and Harry Reid need to compromise and do what is right for the country.

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tomatogrower 6 months, 2 weeks ago

President Obama, do not give in to the blackmail.

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Hawkanator 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Everyone needs to call her office. You think it wouldn't do any good, but if there are enough people she would have to listen. Other than out vote, calling and writing to her office is all that we have. I have called her office twice since Friday. 202-225-6601.

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Mary Alexander 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It is time to get these people out. They are just doing what the Koch want they are not intersted in help people in Kansas.

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onceinawhile 6 months, 2 weeks ago

It's disheartening to me that my representative is so transparently interested in blocking Kansans from getting affordable healthcare and preventing a simple, quick solution to reopening the government by passing a clean budget. We also know the House has avoided talks for months now, so the "If we do not talk, problems can never be solved" talking point is pretty weak. I'm disappointed and embarrassed.

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oldbaldguy 6 months, 2 weeks ago

We elected these people. Barring a miracle we will again. If the economy tubes because of this there needs to be payback.

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elliottaw 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Every single person working on the Hill needs fired, they have had way to long to stop acting like spoiled little kids but all took the same stance that if they couldn't have their way they didn't want to play. None of them care about the general population, only the corporations that line their pockets.

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somebodynew 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Two Questions: 1. Why do they have to sit down and talk NOW, where was all this willingness to talk months ago?? 2. Why should they come to a table when they already know your side of the conversation?? It has been made PAINFULLY obvious that the R's will not do anything unless they can hijack ACA.

OK, one more question- what is the next law the R's won't like and hold up the American people to get their way.??

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Randall Uhrich 6 months, 2 weeks ago

The Big Lie continues. What's the beef? The Affordable Care Act was approved by a bipartisan Congress, and a large majority of Americans approve the various provisions i the Act.

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William Weissbeck 6 months, 2 weeks ago

Wacko! Ask Lynn this question: why are the Koch Bros. affiliated groups spending so much money on ads telling young people and single women not to enroll for health insurance on the new exchanges? Why - because without those young people enrolling, the exchanges will fail. So their proposal to delay the individual mandate by one year is simply a hypocritical attempt to kill the law. The individual mandate has zero relationship to the employer mandate.

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