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Kansas delegation holds position of making government funding contingent on delaying Obamacare

October 2, 2013

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As the federal government shutdown entered its second day, U.S. Rep. Lynn Jenkins defended her vote to fund government contingent on putting in place a one-year delay on the Affordable Care Act requirement that millions of people buy health insurance.

"She feels getting the government up and running is an urgent matter and is disheartened the U.S. Senate rejected not only this proposal, but a simple call to set up a committee to come to a compromise. If we do not talk, problems can never be solved," her office said. Jenkins, of Topeka, is a Republican whose district includes Lawrence.

Members of Kansas' all-Republican congressional delegation oppose the ACA and have supported efforts to repeal it.

"Unfortunately, Senate Democrats and President Obama refuse to come to the table and work toward a responsible solution with those who disagree with them. They would rather shut down the government than negotiate," said U.S. Sen. Jerry Moran.

Even as many government agencies closed their doors, health insurance exchanges that are at the core of President Barack Obama's health care law were up and running, taking applications for coverage that would start Jan. 1.

Comments

William Weissbeck 1 year, 2 months ago

Wacko! Ask Lynn this question: why are the Koch Bros. affiliated groups spending so much money on ads telling young people and single women not to enroll for health insurance on the new exchanges? Why - because without those young people enrolling, the exchanges will fail. So their proposal to delay the individual mandate by one year is simply a hypocritical attempt to kill the law. The individual mandate has zero relationship to the employer mandate.

Randall Uhrich 1 year, 2 months ago

The Big Lie continues. What's the beef? The Affordable Care Act was approved by a bipartisan Congress, and a large majority of Americans approve the various provisions i the Act.

Jean Robart 1 year, 2 months ago

not any more they don't. Google citizens opposed to ACA and READ what you get. The majority of the American voters now are adamantly opposed to the ACA. Do the research like I did.

tomatogrower 1 year, 2 months ago

Since you seem to know so much about her, mommatocharlie, then you can tell us her plan to get affordable health care to everyone. We are waiting with baited breath.

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

Gee, I wonder what drove that turnaround. Could it be the relentless propaganda campaign pursued by the right over the past 4 + years?

It was interesting when Jay Leno recently conducted one of his "Jay Walking", on the street interviews and asked people whether they preferred the ACA or Obamacare. Every single person questioned preferred the ACA to Obamacare and believed the latter was Socialistic while the former was not. They couldn't define why they disliked Obamacare other than in the vaguest of terms accompanied by a lot of gesturing and "you knows". They were in favor of the ACA's features such as no pre-x, and kids on their parent's coverage until age 26, but keep that Obamacare the heck away from me, by God!

So much for what the majority "thinks", IMHO...

tomatogrower 1 year, 2 months ago

Are you sure you aren't talking about Jimmy Kimmel? Or maybe they both did it. Isn't Jay Leno in New York. So if the east coast and west coast people are that dumb, I doubt is it's different in the middle.

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

It might have been Jimmy. Must be staying up too late ;-)

Nevertheless, the point is valid.

Steve Bunch 1 year, 2 months ago

Why do people prefer ACA to Obamacare? One word: Negro.

grammaddy 1 year, 2 months ago

Exactly! Once it is fully instated and shows itself to be working, they'll change the name. Actually they will drop the "obamacare" moniker and call it by it's real name- Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

Enlightenment 1 year, 2 months ago

Additionally, the Koch brothers have been buying up newspapers and other media outlets, which will likely be used to promote right leaning propaganda to the ignorant and uninformed and promote the Koch political views. I see it as a tool for the Koch brothers to get more Republicans elected to ensure they have a group of politicians to do their bidding and pass legislation favorable to Koch Industries.

kernal 1 year, 2 months ago

mommatocharlie, by any chance are you referring to those polls where Americans oppose Obamacare but they're okay with the Affordable Care Act? Because if you are, I've got a hot news flash for you!

grammaddy 1 year, 2 months ago

Better re-research it then. The website is being overwhelmed by demand.My daughter works in the call center handling the marketplace and yesterday the systen went down at least 3 times, once within 2 hours of it's opening.

formerfarmer 1 year, 2 months ago

Better check the following links on the vote for the Affordable Care Act. It was approved by a Democratic controlled Congress. I did not see one Republican vote for the act. I hardly call that bipartisan. Check it yourself. http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/29181 (House vote) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2009/s396 (Senate Vote)

somebodynew 1 year, 2 months ago

Two Questions: 1. Why do they have to sit down and talk NOW, where was all this willingness to talk months ago?? 2. Why should they come to a table when they already know your side of the conversation?? It has been made PAINFULLY obvious that the R's will not do anything unless they can hijack ACA.

OK, one more question- what is the next law the R's won't like and hold up the American people to get their way.??

Jean Robart 1 year, 2 months ago

The Republicans DID speak out against this law months and years ago. But the democrats among the congress and voting were so hornswoggled by Obama they were blinded and approved everything he said. Besides--the congressional democrats didn't even read the bill--I'm sure that there are also Republicans who didn't either. Why should anybody vote to approve a bill into law when they didn't even read it?

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

Whether you like it or not, a majority of the legislative branch of government passed the proposed legislation into law, the executive branch signed the bill and the Supreme Court issued their ruling when Constitutionality of the billed was challenged. What is left to discuss? If you have a problem with an existing law, fine. Challenge it. Amend it. Whatever. Just don't hold the rest of the country hostage while you engage in a political pi$$ing match.

Lisa Medsker 1 year, 2 months ago

I don't think it's the law itself she has a problem with. More like the person who proposed it.

tomatogrower 1 year, 2 months ago

Years ago, it was a Republican plan, until a Democrat decided it sounded good, then they changed their mind (singular mind, because they seem to group think). Republicans, or rather the tea party who has taken over the Republican Party have no plan whatsoever to make health care affordable. In fact, I have heard tea party supporters here say, if you can't afford something this important you can do without. And tea party people, including Ms. Jenkins, have spread lies about the bill, counting on those who can't be bothered to read the bill to believe the lies. As people have seen what is in the bill, they like it, as long as you don't call it obamacare. Even Republicans suddenly say, oh yeah we don't like preexisting exceptions and we don't like that insurance companies drop people who are sick, when in the past they defended those practices. Besides holding the US economy as hostage, because you don't like something is called blackmail, and all these people are guilty of treason.

Steve Bunch 1 year, 2 months ago

One correction to the above. It wasn't because a Democrat decided it sounded good. It was because a president with dark pigmentation and a foreign sounding name decided it sounded good.

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

Probably some of both. Remember how the Rs hated the Clintons?

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

Well, Clinton was the 1st "black" President...

elliottaw 1 year, 2 months ago

Every single person working on the Hill needs fired, they have had way to long to stop acting like spoiled little kids but all took the same stance that if they couldn't have their way they didn't want to play. None of them care about the general population, only the corporations that line their pockets.

oldbaldguy 1 year, 2 months ago

We elected these people. Barring a miracle we will again. If the economy tubes because of this there needs to be payback.

onceinawhile 1 year, 2 months ago

It's disheartening to me that my representative is so transparently interested in blocking Kansans from getting affordable healthcare and preventing a simple, quick solution to reopening the government by passing a clean budget. We also know the House has avoided talks for months now, so the "If we do not talk, problems can never be solved" talking point is pretty weak. I'm disappointed and embarrassed.

Jean Robart 1 year, 2 months ago

She is not interested in keeping Kansans from getting healthcare. She is opposed to THIS law and the way it was foisted on the American people. Lynne Jenkins was MY rep too, and I supported her then, and I support her now.

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

"She is not interested in keeping Kansans from getting healthcare."

And so the alternative from the Republican braintrust is what? Oh yes, maintain the status quo; many uninsured children and poor. Go to the ER for routine care. Default on medical bills through bankruptcy, etc. Rinse & repeat. Got it.

boltzmann 1 year, 2 months ago

"the way it was foisted on the American people"

You seem to not know the definition of "foisted" and are conflating it with "being inacted through the normal democratic process." Obama campaigned in 2008 for health care reform - the American people elected him. The ACA was passed by both houses of Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court. How could that be in any way construed as "foisting". That is just delusional, as is the idea that trying use the full faith and credit of the USA as a blackmail bargaining chip to achieve a goal that cannot be achieved through the normal legislative process. The House Republicans voted 40+ times to defund the ACA and it got nowhere, because it doesn't have the votes in the Senate. To support this blackmail is, in my view, dangerous and crazy.

onceinawhile 1 year, 2 months ago

This law was passed by Congress, deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court and is in effect. Period. Preventing it from going forward, and thus leading to a government shutdown, is a slap in the face to Kansans who want to take advantage of their new healthcare options and to Kansans who are now on furlough because of this mess.

opinion 1 year, 2 months ago

Then why does the administration keep changing it?

nick_s 1 year, 2 months ago

Have you ever got something so completely complex perfectly correct from the get? Take it easy. This will take some time to get off the ground & get all the kinks worked out. Quit deeming it such a massive failure because they didnt introduce perfect legislation the first time. If there is a better solution, then someone should have proposed that solution instead of playing these games.

grammaddy 1 year, 2 months ago

Foisted on people? It was ratified by both houses, signed into law and upheld by the Supreme Court.And just what problems does she have with the ACA?

Alyosha 1 year, 2 months ago

By "foisted" you mean duly passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law by the President, exactly according to how the Constitution specifies?

You seem to have a problem with the Constitution, since you believe that there is some other way of having a law be made.

What exactly is your problem with a bill becoming law exactly according to how the Constitution specifies, as the Affordable Care Act was?

William Weissbeck 1 year, 2 months ago

Foisted? 12 months of hearings and debate is foisting. Check your history. Obama was sworn in in Jan. 2009. The bill was signed into law March 23, 2010. In the meantime, Ted Kennedy passed away and the GOP delayed the seating of Senator Al Franken of Minn. for 9 months, all to prevent the Democrats from having a 60 seat majority in the Senate. If anything, Obama had to form a consensus within his own party with the likes of Baucus, Landrieu, Lincoln, Bayh, Pryor and Lieberman. He made overtures to Snowe and Collins of Maine, but just when he thought he could count on them, they chose party loyalty over any attempt to compromise. It was the vast swath of Democrats that had to compromise with each other to put together this bill. And by the way, this was Bob Dole's counter proposal to Hillarycare. Who would have thought the GOP would oppose their own legislation.

Mary Alexander 1 year, 2 months ago

It is time to get these people out. They are just doing what the Koch want they are not intersted in help people in Kansas.

Hawkanator 1 year, 2 months ago

Everyone needs to call her office. You think it wouldn't do any good, but if there are enough people she would have to listen. Other than out vote, calling and writing to her office is all that we have. I have called her office twice since Friday. 202-225-6601.

gatekeeper 1 year, 2 months ago

You can call all you want to, but she won't ever listen to us.

Hawkanator 1 year, 2 months ago

But calling her is all we can do, maybe is we out number the nut-jobs, she will get scared.

tomatogrower 1 year, 2 months ago

President Obama, do not give in to the blackmail.

In_God_we_trust 1 year, 2 months ago

President Obama and Sen. Harry Reid's strategy is to force higher spending for the government, without agreeing to a budget, validated by the House and congress. The ultimate outcome if successful would be that the President and Sen. Harry Reid would plunge the country into a crisis every time they want to spend more than has been permitted by the congress. It would in effect strip the House of their constitutional power of the purse. This could in effect, create a dictatorship over the US. The President and Harry Reid need to compromise and do what is right for the country.

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

No, the Republicans need to back off this topic for now and move on with the larger issue.

As noted above, a majority of the Congress (you know, our popularly elected representatives of the people) passed the law, the President signed it and the Supreme Court upheld the significant majority of it. Repeated attempts to repeal and/or emasculate such laws are a waste of time and constitute nothing more than obstructionist tactics and are an unecessary bludgeoning of the public for their own personal political agendas. John Boehner and the Tea Party R's need to accept reality and do what is right for the country.

Keith 1 year, 2 months ago

"The President and Harry Reid need to compromise and do what is right for the country."

They are doing what is right, they are ignoring the toddler's tantrum so as to not reinforce the bad behavior.

Shelley Bock 1 year, 2 months ago

Total garbage, IGWT! House Republicans didn't want to have a conference to work out differences with the Senate budget until yesterday when they show up for a fake meeting. Compromise? Why? Will the next time a continuing resolution comes along will they designate SNAP to defund? EPA? Medicare? Social Security?

I suspect that when the Obama presidency is completed, it will have increased the national debt less than what occurred during the Bush years. And, the US will be out of two wars that Bush didn't want paid by the rich.

Brendan Hansen 1 year, 2 months ago

"I suspect that when the Obama presidency is completed, it will have increased the national debt less than what occurred during the Bush years."

Really... and this suspicion is based on what, exactly? The debt already increased nearly $1 trillion more in Obama's first term than it did in Bush's two put together. So for your suspicion to wind up correct, we'd have to start seeing large budget surplusses really quickly. I suspect that's not going to happen...

Sources: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current (Think I'm lying about the comparison? Try it yourself! Bush: 01-20-2001 to 01-20-2009. Obama: 01-20-2009 to 01-20-2013.)

http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2012/sep/05/kelly-ayotte/did-barack-obama-accrue-more-debt-half-time-george/

elliottaw 1 year, 2 months ago

You do realize that just because Bush left office the wars he started didn't just stop racking up bills right

Brendan Hansen 1 year, 2 months ago

You do realize that the statement I'm responding to is sitting right there in my comment, right?

Amy Albright 1 year, 2 months ago

this may be the dumbest LJW comment I've ever read:

In_God_we_trust 19 hours, 41 minutes ago

President Obama and Sen. Harry Reid's strategy is to force higher spending for the government, without agreeing to a budget, validated by the House and congress. The ultimate outcome if successful would be that the President and Sen. Harry Reid would plunge the country into a crisis every time they want to spend more than has been permitted by the congress. It would in effect strip the House of their constitutional power of the purse. This could in effect, create a dictatorship over the US. The President and Harry Reid need to compromise and do what is right for the country.

voevoda 1 year, 2 months ago

If your analysis is right, In_God_we_trust (not that I agree with it), then the Congressional Republicans could easily thwart President Obama's goal merely by passing a budget that is so reasonable that even many Democrats would feel compelled to vote for it.

The fact that Congressional Republicans haven't considered this suggests that one of the following must be true: 1) President Obama does not have any such tyrannical ambitions; or 2) Congressional Republicans aren't smart enough to govern. Or maybe both are true.

chocolateplease 1 year, 2 months ago

The Affordable Care Act is the law, and it was deemed constitutional by the supreme court. The republicans are showing grave disrespect for all citizens of this country when they take the entire federal budget as a hostage in order to try and get their way over something they already lost. Disgusting.

In_God_we_trust 1 year, 2 months ago

The House in order to avoid a dictatorship from President Obama and Sen. Reid, may eventually be forced to cause a financial default of the US govt. debt in order to save the nation. This is because the democrats are not compromising and putting the country first and doing what it right.

Let's hope that wiser minds in the democratic party will prevail to avoid this scenario. The ways of wisdom are peace.

tomatogrower 1 year, 2 months ago

So next time we have a Republican president, who has legally had a bill passed, signed and given the green light by the Supreme Court, but the Democrats don't like it, they can hold the country hostage too? Stand your ground, President Obama. This is setting a terrible precedent that shouldn't be allowed to happen.

In_God_we_trust 1 year, 2 months ago

If the Senate would have worked with the House and agreed to a budget earlier, (as they have had plenty of time to do) there would not be a problem now. The constitution is working as it should to allow the House to limit the out of control spending of the rest of government. That is why they hold the power of the purse.

elliottaw 1 year, 2 months ago

But the spoiled Brats with the Rs by their named refused to talk for the last year, now they want to pass the blame

Shelley Bock 1 year, 2 months ago

Cruz and his cronies refused to have the Senate authorize the appointment of Senators to negotiate a compromise budget. Can't have it both ways, IGWT. Can't refuse to allow the process and then criticize when there isn't a compromise produced by the process you thwarted.

gatekeeper 1 year, 2 months ago

You are so clueless!!!! 18 times in the last month Democrats have tried to take the budget to committee and the republicans refused. Normal procedure when the house and senate don't agree on a budget is that it goes to committee!!!! So many of you kool aid drinkers don't even know how your govt works and listen to the BS being spouted by the right. Take a civics lesson, then come back to discuss when you have a better clue of what you're trying to talk about.

Armored_One 1 year, 2 months ago

WRONG!

The Democrats approached the Republicans no fewer than 15 times to attempt a bipartisan committee workshop to hammer out the issues. The Republicans refused to sit down at the table without certain automatics guaranteed.

Defunding ACA was NEVER on that list, but no tax hikes for the upper crust was at the top of the list each and every time. If it was such a massive sticking point, why did it not come up until the last couple of weeks?

Even Fox News, a Republican stronghold, has posted a story about the benefits of ACA. This is posturing of the worst kind, and frankly I do believe it violates the oath of office each of them took on their first day. It should be grounds for a recall, and the more noise this generates, the better the chances of replacing the spoiled children we foolishly thought could act like adults.

oldbaldguy 1 year, 2 months ago

you have been paying too much attention to Fox News. A minority cannot rule in a republic, the majority rules with the consent of the minority. It used to be called the loyal minority. the same argument can be said for the Tea Party of the House, they are not putting the country first. there will be no dictatorship.

cowboy 1 year, 2 months ago

I called also , hard to control the frustration .

It is completely agonizing to listen to ill informed people spout off about things they have no knowledge of past a propaganda talking point they heard on talk radio or fox news. Breaking news the deficit is dropping at record rates , spending is reduced and held at sequester levels , The ACA and Obama care are one and the same and were passed by congress , upheld by the Supreme Court , not foisted upon the people in the middle of the night. The economy is improving at a steady rate and had congress been proactive rather than a blocker it could be much better.

The right has staked out such extreme positions that they can't retreat or Big Daddy Koch will primary them. Your party bought and paid for cannot govern.

Hawkanator 1 year, 2 months ago

I understand, it took everything in me not to swear at the poor intern.

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

So glad you didn't---I'm sure they have to take enough abuse---for little or no pay. Just hope they don't grow up to become like their boss.

Larry Sturm 1 year, 2 months ago

Why don't we put it like it is Obama is black.

gatekeeper 1 year, 2 months ago

I like your avatar. Most probably don't understand it, but some of us do.

gccs14r 1 year, 2 months ago

Seems like we ought to be able to have the Tea Party obstructionists arrested for malfeasance.

oldbaldguy 1 year, 2 months ago

this is absolutely correct and it would apply if a democratic minority were trying to do the same thing to a republican president. this did not happen by accident.

Enlightenment 1 year, 2 months ago

It's interesting that the House Republicans are upset because the Senate Democrats are not open to negotiating and compromise. The Republicans do not offer a compromise, they flat out want the ACA eliminated. How is that a compromise?

Seems to me the Right is just concerned that the ACA, despite the glitches, will be successful. The Republican benefactors include major employers that are able to retain good workers by holding health insurance over their head. Now with the ACA, many entrepreneurial minded people will be leaving their employers and starting up their own businesses because they can afford insurance, thus creating competition and forcing employers to pay an acceptable wage to retain good workers. Of course the Right wants to repeal the ACA, they won't get any financial backing to keep them in office if the ACA is successful.

redks 1 year, 2 months ago

I agree it's treason.
You have to stop playing these petty games, Congresswoman, to keep your ignorant base happy, and get some real work accomplished. You are hurting our government and in turn hurting the people. We who are not ignorant will do our very best to vote you out of office.

yourworstnightmare 1 year, 2 months ago

The fact is, the GOP attached an unrelated measure, defunding the ACA, to the budget resolution. This is clearly extortion.

Roberts, Moran, and Jenkins all support this tactic of extortion, of attaching an unrelated bill to the spending bill.

Jenkins, Roberts, and Moran are doing great harm to Kansas and the nation through this tactic of extortion.

nocrybabies 1 year, 2 months ago

When the lawmakers have to subscribe to the same exact healthcare benefits as the people they represent the problem will get better very fast. Until then, their constituents are of little importance.

grammaddy 1 year, 2 months ago

The last time we tried to bargain with the Republicans we ended up with the sequester. Stand your ground Obama! Our legislators have the best health insurance money can buy, and WE pay for it. How dare they try to deny the rest of us health care. I'm betting those idiots duck and dodge and hold the debt ceiling hostage next. Vote Them Out in 2014!!

Garth Atchison 1 year, 2 months ago

Here is the deal: these people don't want a functioning government, because they are anarchists in libertarian clothing. They have no respect for the Constitution and are only familiar with one of the ammendments. They would rather have the impoverished live in slums, health-care to the highest bidder, and a bullet for anyone that disagrees. They believe that racial minorities are threats, not citizens. There is no fair and balanced approach with them. They are doing everything they can to erode the ideals and process that has allowed such a thing as an American Dream to exist.

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

Sigh!

Unfortunately you are correct. Which is why we can't "compromise." They do not compromise.

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

I have asked my Rep (Mike Pompeo) several times what he would do in place of the ACA since he wants it gone. While he (or his interns) send me circular letters which say nothing, I have never gotten a reply to that question. He has been trying to collect stories about people's bad experiences with Obamacare---or their fear of a bad experience. He only posted three, mostly rather questionable in his email asking for more stories, so I'm supposing he didn't get the response he was looking for. He didn't post my response supporting the Act---just mentioned that a few people did.

I did receive a reply when I asked the question of Moran. It's too long to post here, but it looks like some things are already in the ACA and others are very questionable---"We can extend rational pre-existing condition protections in the non-group health insurance markets for those with continuous creditable coverage, thus rewarding responsible persons who  buy and maintain coverage." So, if you couldn't get insurance before for a preexisting condition, you still couldn't get it because you are not responsible. Yeah, that works.

Hawkanator 1 year, 2 months ago

And what about lifetime limits on coverage?

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

Moran doesn't address that.

He does advocate for reducing healthcare costs (which I'm sure most everybody agrees with), which he claims the ACA doesn't do.

He also advocates tax credits for low-income people, but doesn't explain how that will help those who are too poor to pay taxes.

He tries to say that frivolous lawsuits are over 10% of all our health care expenditures. From my research, nobody actually knows the cost because, while lawsuits only account for around 2% of costs, we don't know how much is spent over testing because of the fear of a lawsuit. Yes, this needs to be addressed, but "tort reform," in my opinion, should be approached very carefully. We also need to be sure patients are protected from malpractice. An anecdote from the horse's mouth (a doctor), while many lawsuits are frivolous, there is also much malpractice that the patient may never find out about.

"We need to place as much emphasis on wellness as we do on illness." I was under the impression that preventive care without copays is attempting to address this issue.

For them to say that Obamacare is a bad and dangerous law and must be thrown out in it's entirely and we must start all over again is worse than disingenuous when they are advocating some of the same things. What do we do while we wait for them to get their act together? In the current climate, I don't think the Rs will ever get their act together.

kernal 1 year, 2 months ago

Hawkanator, there are no lifetime limits under the Affordable Care Act.

Hawkanator 1 year, 2 months ago

I know, I was adding that in there too for Moron to answer. There are so many good things about this law that helps sick people and poor people.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

This action reveals the true ignorance of the GOP and their misinformation campaign loaded with lies and distortions. Who wants to return to the days which allowed the medical insurance industry to cut off patients at will? How can one political party be more significantly stupid than the other? Well we have the ALEC Right Wing Party posing as the GOP being evermore stupid than the democrats.

No mean feat I must say. And it does not stop with Obamcare.

Here's the trouble with the medical insurance industry. People spend thousands of dollars a year to have an industry either drop a client or tell a client that they have not paid enough for a service to be rendered.

Consumers pay thousands of dollars a year in the event something might happen only to start over at the next cycle to keep paying in the event something might happen. And all of that money paid the previous year or previous years means nothing no matter whether a client used the insurance or not. Talk about a scam.

Shelley Bock 1 year, 2 months ago

The Republican / Fox News / Tea Party disinformation campaign will ultimately discredit their position. Reasonable, rational conservatives who are Republicans need to distance themselves from the craziness is now being disseminating from their propaganda machines.

Speaker of the House John Boehner must become independent of the Tea Party influence to become a leader rather than a figurehead. Let the House vote on a "clean" Continuing Resolution and let the country move on.

ebyrdstarr 1 year, 2 months ago

I think all pressure needs to be focused on Boehner at this point. Why he is refusing to bring the CR to the floor for a vote is the big mystery here. Everyone knows it would pass. So let it be voted on already!

kernal 1 year, 2 months ago

This entire hullabaloo by the Republicans is nothing but a last ditch effort power play. I find it repugnant they are still collecting their salaries because they are considered "essential" personnel while all the Federal employees they caused to be furloughed get squat. Plus, this shutdown is costing us millions and will cost more due to delays of ongoing projects by agencies such as FEMA (good luck to Colorado!), Army Corp of Engineers, FDA, EPA, etc. This same party also cost Americans millions by wasting time with their forty plus efforts to repeal The Affordable Care Act, a/k/a Obamacare.

Kind of makes me wonder if they don't have the smarts to take care of what really needs to be taken care of and are concentrating on deterring the public from their lack of expertise, initiative and brain power.

kernal 1 year, 2 months ago

Washington Post has published a list of which Republicans and Democrats have said they will refuse their pay or donate it to charities during this shutdown. http://www.washingtonpost.com

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

Interesting article in Slate about how democracy works---or is supposed to work---and how we are being perceived by people outside the country.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2013/10/_government_shutdown_the_view_from_overseas_does_not_favor_the_gop.html

"Obamacare is the law, as confirmed by the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of our political system. A portion of one of those branches is therefore not now legally or morally empowered to change that law by holding other parts of the government hostage, no matter how strongly its members or their constituents feel. So how is it possible that so many Americans, including some who have been elected to Congress, no longer understand this principle, so fundamental to our entire political system, and so vitally necessary to the functioning of democracies around the world? I repeat, democracy is not designed to reflect majority opinion. It is designed to filter majority opinion through legitimate institutions and to translate it, through agreed procedures, into policy."

nick_s 1 year, 2 months ago

I just tried to call & got her voicemail, which is conveniently full. Do you mean to tell me she isnt checking her voicemail & returning the important phone calls of her constituents? Oh man, now Im really hacked. What else does she have to do? I know she's not working, haha.

Randy Leonard 1 year, 2 months ago

I tried calling and of course didn't get a live person. I then emailed her. It has now been 30 hours and I have not gotten a response. I usually get some narcissistic drivel from her that has no relationship to the issue. I haven't even gotten that this time. When I lived in Topeka she was my state senator. It was the same thing then. She would not talk to you unless you agreed with her.

Mike Ford 1 year, 2 months ago

I get into 80 decibel yelling matches with her staffers on a regular basis. I'd suggest people start protesting at her office in Topeka. This idea's crossed my mind many times. Protesting politely is our right. She needs to know that she represents people other north, south, and west of Topeka.

Brendan Hansen 1 year, 2 months ago

Yes, but judging by her most recent election results, she represents nearly twice as many people who agree with her and support what she's doing. Like me! :-)

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

So you support obstructionism and shutting down the government because you lost an election, had legislation you disagree with passed by Congress and then upheld by the SC. You also support the dissemination of half-truths, distortions and outright lies. Got it.

At least you own it.

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

"She feels getting the government up and running is an urgent matter and is disheartened the U.S. Senate rejected not only this proposal, but a simple call to set up a committee to come to a compromise..."
This absolutely made my blood boil. For SIX MONTHS the Senate BEGGED the House to set up a committee to hash out a compromise acceptable to both chambers and the House thumbed it's nose at the Senate. The House didn't "request" a bi-chamber committee until 48 hours before the shutdown and Jenkins is blaming the SENATE because they rejected it? Really? REALLY?????????
How disingenuous of you, Lynn.

ebyrdstarr 1 year, 2 months ago

The delusion coming from this small segment of the House is staggering. Last night, I saw one of them say, "We knew we couldn't repeal Obamacare, so we offered a very reasonable compromise. We offered defunding it, no repealing it." The man's tone of voice conveyed that he was utterly astonished that the President and Senate did not accept this incredibly reasonable offer.

It's mind-boggling.

cowboy 1 year, 2 months ago

Whats even more appalling is her stunt today at the WW@ memorial. Shutdowners grandstanding for political purposes on hallowed ground of our proud veterans. You should be ashamed of yourself Jenkins. That is the lowest of low political stunts.

cowboy 1 year, 2 months ago

Whats even more appalling is her stunt today at the WW2 memorial. Shutdowners grandstanding for political purposes on hallowed ground of our proud veterans. You should be ashamed of yourself Jenkins. That is the lowest of low political stunts.

arch007bak 1 year, 2 months ago

My favorite is that lunatic Michelle Bachman...sends out a tweet that the shutdown was exactly what they wanted and about how thrilled they are it happened. She then runs out to the Memorial to defend the Veterans right to see it against the big bad President...like he sat down and made a list of closures and made that particular closure decision himself.

arch007bak 1 year, 2 months ago

And to make it even better, I saw another video of one the Vets that I had seen those grandstanders shaking hands with saying how stupid politicians are after they had left him alone. Wish he had said it their faces...

Terry Jacobsen 1 year, 2 months ago

It takes two to tango. Everyone who is blaming the other side 100% are just lying to themselves. Both sides are to blame and anyone who says otherwise is just in denial.

Randy Leonard 1 year, 2 months ago

TJ, I suppose you blame believe a woman who is raped shares the blame with her rapist or that hostages in a hostage situation share the blame with the hostage takers. The only people in denial are those who support the Republicans,

yourworstnightmare 1 year, 2 months ago

Fact: the GOP attached an unrelated issue, defunding the ACA, to the budget resolution. In other words, extortion.

The GOP are squarely to blame for this shutdown. Remove the ACA attachment, which is unrelated to the issue at hand, and this would sail through.

Instead, the GOP want to wage legislative extortion by holding a gun to the head of the economy if the ACA is not defunded.

koman 1 year, 2 months ago

So, if President Obama decides he wants a complete assault weapons ban added to passed and decided gun legislation then he can say he will veto everything and shut down the government if he doesn't get the ban and then say it's the republicans fault because they won't rewrite legislation that is already law?

Why does Boehner hate democracy so much? All he has to do is put the clean CR up for a vote and it will pass. Fact. So, both houses of congress and the President want a clean CR, but the oddly tan, smoking one is too scared of the baggers to even put something up for a vote? And we think all of the terrorists are foreign? These baggers are trying to destroy the country.

verity 1 year, 2 months ago

The way I see it---

Boehner is afraid of being primaried out by someone even more extreme and that is a good possibility.

Eric Cantor is undermining him in the hopes that he can replace him as Speaker.

Boehner has helped create a monster and now the monster is controlling him. Whichever side wins the budget debate, Boehner loses.

If Eric Cantor or some other ultra extremist becomes speaker, we're in even more serious trouble than we are now. TAKE BACK THE HOUSE!

yourworstnightmare 1 year, 2 months ago

Right, Koman. That would be similar to what the GOP are doing.

More similar would to attach an assault weapons ban to this current budget resolution, and threaten to shut down the economy and government if it is not passed.

Not a bad idea, actually, as a starting place for negotiation.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 1 year, 2 months ago

Bottom line....These racist bigots we sent to Congress hate the president. They cannot stomach the black guy that beat out their white candidate. The president himself has noted that they are rehasning the failed election.

This is what we get Kansas. Are you proud? Does this aggregation of ignorant bigots present what you want Kansas attitudes to be?

Are you proud??

Hawkanator 1 year, 2 months ago

John Boehner 202-225-6205 Lynn Jenkins 202-225-6601

Tell them to bring the untainted resolution to the floor for a vote NOW!

yourworstnightmare 1 year, 2 months ago

The democrats should now insist that an assault weapons ban be part of this resolution, and insist it be passed lest the shutdown continue. They should also then say that the GOP are unwilling to compromise when they refuse to vote on it.

Extortion.

bad_dog 1 year, 2 months ago

You know, the R's might seriously consider trading an assault weapons ban (however, that term may ultimately be defined, twisted and/or misconstrued) in exchange for terminating the ACA. Weapons manufacturers would just create other weapons to sell that would comply with the ban; at least in name.

I fully expect the R's to find some way to "save face" so they can back down in a few days and claim they did it to prevent the D's from wreaking havoc and doing irreperable harm to the great American Way/Dream/Economy/Way of Life.....

Act II will commence when the debt ceiling "discussions" begin.

koman 1 year, 2 months ago

President Obama just needs to continually call Boehner out on this. Over and over and over. Keep ratcheting up the pressure. Ask him why he hates democracy so much that he no longer believe in up or down votes. Put the clean CR to a vote in the house. It's that simple. Either Boehner will do it or there can be no doubt who 100% of the blame falls upon. Boehner is done, the baggers think he's a moderate and everyone else thinks he's just dumb and scared to lead. What's scary is that Cantor will be the next speaker. Very scary.

OlDan 1 year, 2 months ago

Let's see...I think I remember that both the Democrats and the media said that the T-Party was irrelevant and dead some months ago. Yes, as I think about it...I'm pretty sure I remeber they said it was dead.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/06/tea-party-is-dead-how-the-movement-fizzled-in-2012-s-gop-primaries.html

Will 2014 be a repeat of 2010 with the Rs claiming the Senate as well? Could be...the Senate has been rejecting every effort by the House to fund important programs. Who is really keeping the government in shut down mode? Ds have refused funding measures from the House to fund programs like NIH and Parks among others. People are beginning to understand what the real story is despite name calling, lies and propaganda from Obama, Ds, and the media. The Rs are attempting to re-open the government. The Ds are refusing to let that happen and blaming the Rs. Funny world we live in.

koman 1 year, 2 months ago

It's really very simple. Either you believe in democracy or you don't. Put the clean CR up to a vote. What is Boehner so afraid of? Why does he hate democracy? An up or down vote. What is so horrible about that? Either Boehner can't get the votes from his own party or he's scared of the baggers. Either way, poor leader or just plain scared, he is a poor excuse for a speaker. Up or down vote on a clean CR. Why do you hate democracy and America so much?

jafs 1 year, 2 months ago

I predict that the R will suffer in the 2014 elections, rather than the D.

We'll see.

FWIW, I thought Obama would win, by a small margin in the last presidential election - apparently I was right about that one. Who did you think would win?

Armstrong 1 year, 2 months ago

I like Barry's no negotiation concept it really highlights his ineptness in leadership - like he was ever qualified in the first place.

Shelley Bock 1 year, 2 months ago

Now there you go again,Armstrong. President's non-negotiating stance is so similar to President Reagan's non-negotiating stance with the Patco union members who struck the air traffic control system. It's all in how you view things, Armstrong.

Why should the President negotiate? Will the next time a continuing resolution comes to the Senate, will the House include de-funding Social Security or other programs? A Republican faction of the House is trying to destroy our government and is gloating over the shut down. No President should negotiate that issue.

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

Apparently, ol' Abe Lincoln had something to say about this mess.

"Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.
This, plainly stated, is your language.
In that supposed event, you say, you will destroy the Union; and then, you say, the great crime of having destroyed it will be upon us! That is cool. A highwayman holds a pistol to my ear, and mutters through his teeth, "Stand and deliver, or I shall kill you, and then you will be a murderer!"
From the Cooper Union address, February 27, 1860

In another note, the approval of the GOP is tanking so badly that even Faux Noise is talking about it.

jafs 1 year, 2 months ago

It's odd that a very small minority can hold things up so much.

If it's true that the CR would pass in the House given an up-down vote, I wonder why we let such small minorities block the process.

This isn't the only example of that, of course. And, I've always thought it odd - it's one thing to give a minority a voice and a very different thing to let a very small minority interfere with the routine functioning of our government.

I guess Boehner is afraid of being "primaried" by the radical right?

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

I don't think that being "primaried" makes any difference, now. The GOP is toast. Unfortunately, the moderates are just as angry at the teapublicans as the Dems (and the rest of the nation) are. They know darn good and well they will be the baby thrown out with the bathwater.

jafs 1 year, 2 months ago

Then why is Boehner still not bringing the CR for an up-down vote?

And, if he could have done it all along, why did he not do it?

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

Who knows, jafs? They may have pictures of him stashed somewhere. ;)

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

OTOH, those same moderates may deserve what they get. It was their toleration of the teas' craziness, instead of forcing them into forming their own party, that led to this in the first place. It should teach them that there really ARE limits on what you should do for votes.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

End GOP Obstruction!!!

The debt-ceiling crisis threatens not just the president's constitutional duty to make payments on the public debt but also the accompanying requirement that he spend money lawfully appropriated by Congress, either as part of a yearly budget or as part of statutes authorizing “entitlement” payments like Medicare or veterans' benefits.

Failing to do any of these things would be a default on the president's duty to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” The president may not be able to obey all three sources of law; if so, Aaron argues, he should make the payments and ignore the debt ceiling.

“The debt ceiling is the fiscal equivalent of the human appendix — a law with no discoverable purpose,” he writes. “If Congress leaves the debt ceiling at a level inconsistent with duly enacted spending and tax laws, the president has no choice but to ignore it.”

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/if-congress-wont-raise-the-debt-ceiling-obama-will-be-forced-to-break-the-law/280176/

Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

Beginning next week, thousands of home buyers will be unable to get approvals for their mortgages because of the government shutdown, potentially undercutting the nation’s resurgent housing market.

Without paperwork from the Internal Revenue Service, the Social Security Administration and in many cases the Federal Housing Administration, banks and other mortgage lenders will be less willing to make loans, if they can make them at all. Lenders, for instance, rely on the IRS to confirm borrowers’ income and the Social Security agency to confirm their identify.

Every day that government offices remain shuttered will delay an ever-larger fraction of mortgage closings, industry leaders say, jeopardizing mortgage and interest-rate approvals and spooking sellers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/shutdown-will-stall-home-loans-for-thousands/2013/10/04/47b8cb10-2c4a-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.html?hpid=z1

Armstrong 1 year, 2 months ago

At last check a tax return from the previous year or current earnings statement was good enough to prove income. Fail merrill

Cait McKnelly 1 year, 2 months ago

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the bedrock of traditional Republicanism, now says that it will get involved in Republican primaries by providing financial support to incumbent Republicans who vote to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling.
Looks like the Kansas delegation will be losing a major source of campaign funds. I'm also curious how the KCC is taking this.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/with-traditional-gop-allies-defecting-big-business-leaders-take-sides-with-obama

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