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House rejects exception from abortion restrictions for rape, incest, abuse victims

March 19, 2013

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— The Kansas House on Tuesday rejected a provision that would exempt victims of rape, incest or child sexual abuse from restrictions on abortions.

In proposing his amendment to an abortion bill, state Rep. John Wilson, D-Lawrence, said women and girls in those "horrible, life-changing" situations shouldn't be prevented from getting an abortion.

But state Rep. Lance Kinzer, R-Olathe, and a vocal opponent of abortion rights, said Wilson's amendment would change a decade's worth of placing restrictions on abortion in Kansas.

Wilson's amendment failed on a 31-90 vote.

The discussion occurred on House Bill 2253, a wide ranging abortion bill brought by Kinzer that was given preliminary approval by the House on Tuesday.

Another proposed amendment to the bill, which would have removed language in the bill that tells doctors to provide information about the potential risks of abortion, including breast cancer, failed.

State Rep. Barbara Bollier, R-Mission Hills, and a physician, said there wasn't sound scientific evidence to back up a link between abortion and breast cancer.

"I don't want you at my doctor's appointment telling my doctor what to say," she told the House. But her amendment fell, 50-71.

HB 2253 would prohibit tax breaks for abortion providers, bar women who claim tax deductions for medical expenses from including the cost of an abortion, and prohibit public schools from using sex education instruction from Planned Parenthood.

During debate, the measure prompted general comments on abortion in general.

State Rep. Joe Edwards, R-Wichita, and a pastor, said, "We must stop this genocide that is happening in America."

But state Rep. Carolyn Bridges, D-Wichita, said continued restrictions on abortion won't stop abortions from happening. "You can pass all of the bills that you want to, but abortions are not going to end. What is going to end is the safe procedure that is taking place."

Kinzer said a portion of the bill that states that the life of each human being begins at fertilization will "help set the context for more substantive restrictions in the future."

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i_read_things 1 year ago

HB 2253, AN ACT concerning abortion; relating to the funding of abortion services; relating to prenatally and postnatally diagnosed conditions; relating to restrictions on late-term abortions; relating to the woman's-right-to-know act; amending K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 40-2246, 65-6701, 65-6703, 65-6709, 65-6710, 76-3308, 79-32,117, 79-32,138, 79-32,182b, 79-32,195, 79-32,261 and 79-3606 and repealing the existing sections, was considered on final action.

On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 92; Nays 31; Present but not voting: 0; Absent or not voting: 2.

Yeas: Alcala, Alford, Barker, Becker, Bideau, Boldra, Bradford, Bruchman, Brunk, Couture-Lovelady, Campbell, Carlson, Carpenter, Cassidy, Christmann, Claeys, Concannon, Corbet, Crum, DeGraaf, Dierks, Doll, Dove, Edmonds, Edwards, Esau, Ewy, Finch, Gandhi, Garber, Goico, Gonzalez, Grant, Grosserode, Hawkins, Hedke, Henry, Hermanson, Hibbard, Highland, Hildabrand, Hineman, Hoffman, Houser, Howell, Huebert, Hutton, Jennings, Johnson, Jones, Kahrs, Kelley, Kelly, Kinzer, Kleeb, Lunn, Macheers, Mast, McPherson, Meier, Meigs, Merrick, Montgomery, Moxley, O'Brien, Pauls, Peck, Peterson, Petty, Phillips, Powell, Proehl, Read, Rhoades, Rothlisberg, Rubin, Ryckman Jr., Ryckman Sr., Schroeder, Schwab, Schwartz, Seiwert, Shultz, Siegfreid, Suellentrop, Sutton, Swanson, Thimesch, Todd, Vickrey, Waymaster, Weber.

Nays: Ballard, Bollier, Bridges, Burroughs, Carlin, Clayton, Davis, Dillmore, Finney, Frownfelter, Henderson, Hill, Houston, Kuether, Lane, Lusk, Menghini, Perry, Rooker, Ruiz, Sloan, Sloop, Tietze, Trimmer, Victors, Ward, Weigel, Whipple, Wilson, Winn, Wolfe Moore.

Present but not voting: None.

Absent or not voting: Osterman, Sawyer.

The bill passed, as amended.

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jayhawklawrence 1 year ago

I am not sure how you fight against people like Rush Limbaugh, who spreads lies and disinformation across America every single day and is treated like a great American patriot.

He can call an innocent young woman a slut and get praised for it.

We are at a low point as a society when we honor these kind of people.

This is also the current state of our Kansas government. They will sacrifice anyone to score political points at the Koch mansion.

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UneasyRider 1 year ago

This bill is just more proof of what GOP thinks of women. They should simply be kept pregnant, barefoot, in the kitchen and keep their mouths shut.

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jayhawklawrence 1 year ago

According to the FBI website, 84,767 forcible rapes were reported in 2010.

Most rapes are not reported. It is unknown how many cases of incest or child abuse result in pregnancies.

In Kansas you can be the victim of a rapist and then the victim of the government.

Who would you consider more evil?

The rapist who cannot control his urges or the politicians who exploit the victim?

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i_read_things 1 year ago

On motion of Rep. Wilson to amend HB 2253, the motion did not prevail.

On roll call, the vote was: Yeas 31; Nays 90; Present but not voting: 0; Absent or not voting: 4. Yeas: Ballard, Bollier, Bridges, Burroughs, Carlin, Clayton, Davis, Dillmore, Finney, Frownfelter, Henderson, Hill, Houston, Kuether, Lane, Lusk, Menghini, Perry, Rooker, Ruiz, Sloan, Sloop, Tietze, Trimmer, Victors, Ward, Weigel, Whipple, Wilson, Winn, Wolfe Moore.

Nays: Alcala, Alford, Barker, Becker, Bideau, Boldra, Bradford, Bruchman, Brunk, Couture-Lovelady, Campbell, Carlson, Carpenter, Cassidy, Christmann, Claeys, Concannon, Corbet, Crum, DeGraaf, Dierks, Doll, Dove, Edmonds, Edwards, Esau, Ewy, Finch, Gandhi, Garber, Goico, Gonzalez, Grant, Grosserode, Hawkins, Hedke, Henry, Hermanson, Hibbard, Highland, Hildabrand, Hineman, Hoffman, Houser, Howell, Huebert, Hutton, Jennings, Johnson, Jones, Kahrs, Kelley, Kelly, Kinzer, Lunn, Macheers, Mast, McPherson, Meier, Meigs, Merrick, Montgomery, Moxley, O'Brien, Pauls, Peck, Petty, Phillips, Powell, Proehl, Read, Rhoades, Rothlisberg, Rubin, Ryckman Jr., Ryckman Sr., Schroeder, Schwab, Schwartz, Seiwert, Shultz, Siegfreid, Suellentrop, Sutton, Swanson, Thimesch, Todd, Vickrey, Waymaster, Weber.

Present but not voting: None.

Absent or not voting: Kleeb, Osterman, Peterson, Sawyer.

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jjt 1 year ago

So no one reading this thread has used an IUD, my point not well made perhaps, is that their legislation is in many ways unenforceable. The normal way that to deal with these points is to smile and ignore them as they get in the way. My next question is will the law mean no more over flights of Kansas by air lines. The GOP needs to think more about where it is going rather than how it feels on the way there.

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blindrabbit 1 year ago

Beg to differ with you, The Tea-bagging GOP does in fact love women, just not the kind you and I would care to associate with. The party has a collection of "highly intellectual' ??? dolts from it's "Binders of Women" program that the Party has embraced over the past few years. I submit the "prime" examples: Sharron Angle, Michelle Bachman, Marsha Blackburn, Jan Brewer, Lynn Jenkins, Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell. " God bless all, each and every one" C.Dickens

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oldexbeat 1 year ago

the Guns Over People (or Gonads Over People) party doesn't like women, except for those that say "Yes,' even when unable to speak, passed out on the floor, being banged by all those men that heard some woman say; "Yes, Yes. Take my rights, men. I'm only a woman and I don't know what to do without all you big brave men telling me...."

Plus, bonus, all those extra mouths to feed the GMO food that Koch Brothers will produce. And all that sales tax to replace the Koch lovers income tax. Really a plan. That doctor's aren't trusted by the Koch GOP is a good thing. Yup. Means faster deaths among them.

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Katara 1 year ago

It sounds like Lance Kinzer does not know what an ectopic pregnancy is. It also sounds like he has never heard of a molar pregnancy.

It also doesn't sound like Lance Kinzer believes that fetuses can die in utero.

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grandnanny 1 year ago

So women are just cranking out babies - men play no part in this. Maybe the man should take some responsibility also - and stop insurance companies from paying for viagra. What a sexist message you just posted.

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jjt 1 year ago

Not that any one will pay attention to this posting but for all the women out there who have used or do use an IUD or coil this applies to you. As you would in theory be liable under this law. The coil of course is designed to stop a fertilized egg from implanting in/on the uterus. Thus it follows that women who use a coil would not want to travel in or live in Kansas for fear of prosecution.

I am particularly interested to hear from someone who supports this law and who uses an IUD

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Robert Burnham 1 year ago

Why don't WE the PEOPLE put it on the ballot and vote either position?? If the politicians won't REPRESENT the people, why in the hell are they still in office...it's not their call, they represent US!

The problem is people vote party lines, or who is the most charismatic, or because they look great in a suit,or whatever. They are supposed to represent US! Are we that stupid that we have to be lead by the nose, that we aren't smart enough to decide ourselves...wake up people before it's too late!

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Kat Christian 1 year ago

A young woman or adult woman raped by a relative or not should have the choice to decide an abortion and it should be covered under medical insurance. However, if a young woman or adult woman chooses to be careless and choose to have an abortion then no it should not be covered under medical insurance. There is enough education about birth control in this country for woman to know how to protect themselves from getting pregnant. Of course there is always that 1% accident that happens. But if women keep cranking out babies with no forethought of the consequences on society we are going to be in a boat load of trouble with over population.

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mikekt 1 year ago

Has Kansas State Government gotten out of your life lately?......Or just gotten totally out of control ?!

These are re-publican legislators who now feel fit, by their own pronouncements, to render bogus medical opinions as if they have any credentials to issue any medical opinions of any sorts at all .

Trust me, they would "get it", if it were their own daughter who was raped..... and the rapist secured visitation rights thru the states court systems and laws that they have made !!!

Being Hypocrites and Sociopaths by nature, they'd have a daughter who was raped or was consensually pregnant, into an abortion performing state, in no time at all, for an abortion !

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Keith 1 year ago

"The Kansas House on Tuesday rejected a provision that would exempt victims of rape, incest or child sexual abuse from restrictions on abortions."

Thus assuring a quick smackdown in the courts.

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Joe Hyde 1 year, 1 month ago

Let's cut to the chase here: House Bill 2253's real world impact on female citizens capable of bearing children is that Republican conservatives condone rape, incest and child abuse. This bill, if enacted into law, compels female citizens who've been sexually assaulted to have babies they never intended or planned to have.

Every female voter in the state of Kansas should go to the polls next election and throw these fascist pig Republican conservatives out of the statehouse and into the nearest gutter.

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SnakeFist 1 year, 1 month ago

This isn't about men controlling women. Its about conservative lawmakers (men and women) imposing their wrong moral and social beliefs on and attempting to control all of us (men and women). This anti-choice legislation is just part of a much larger agenda that includes anti-union, anti-environment, anti-sustainability, anti-homosexual, anti-education, and, of course, pro-gun legislation.

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oletimer 1 year, 1 month ago

this is not news. the only reason browny got elected was to end abortions of any kind in Kansas. I am only surprised it has taken this long. oh yeah. browny has been pretty busy attempting, and probably succeeding, to totally wreck the state of Kansas.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 1 month ago

And I thought all these right-wing zealots were against more government intrusion into our lives. I can just imagine that if these restrictions were being foisted on women by The Progressives, the Right -wing T-Baggers would call it a form of American Sharia Law.

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cowboy 1 year, 1 month ago

I have had it with these morons in the state house.

Why not try to figure out how to get a title out in less than two months and get a license renewed in under two hours.

Once you get that solved you can go back to vagina regulation. Idiots

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08Champs 1 year, 1 month ago

I read somewhere that if men could get pregnant, there'd be a clinic on every corner and birth control would come in 10 flavors....

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TinmanKC 1 year, 1 month ago

An appropriate move would be for all doctors to refuse to practice in the state of Kansas where Nanny State Republicans like Kinzer and Edwards can order them to pass along untrue information. Republicans: follow your own campaign promises and get out of our lives!

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Stuart Sweeney 1 year, 1 month ago

She should have shut her body down!

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Cait McKnelly 1 year, 1 month ago

In 31 states in this country, rapists can sue for custody and/or visitation of the fruits of their assault. Kansas is one of those states. Given that Mr. Kinzer and his gyno gang want women forced into bearing such children, does he have any plans of introducing legislation to at least cut off the parental rights of convicted sex offenders?

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Timothy Eugene 1 year, 1 month ago

You liberals show why you are all idiots. Why is it "My body, my choice" when it is murdering a baby, but the exact opposite when you want to ban sodas larger than 16 oz., salt on a table, cigarettes, McDonalds cheeseburgers, etc. etc.

This decision makes perfect sense for 2 major reasons:

1: Less than 1%, that's right LESS than 1% of all abortions are because of rape, incest, etc.

2: IF, just IF, you had got pregnant due to rape or incest, don't you think you would have that abortion right away instead of waiting until "late term?"

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nocrybabies 1 year, 1 month ago

I about had a heart attack this morning. When I woke up my watch was running backwards! On the drive to work, I crossed the state line and my watch immediately started running clockwise again. This is gettin' kinda' scary!

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MYOB 1 year, 1 month ago

So where would you draw the line? Or would you?

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decrepit 1 year, 1 month ago

Where is all the new legislation that would require castration for those who rape?

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Agnostick 1 year, 1 month ago

Not surprisingly, it sounds like Lance Kinzer has again decided to stand up for Kansas child molesters, rapists, and sexual offenders of all stripes. Or am I missing something?

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MYOB 1 year, 1 month ago

Not saying I'm for or against this bill, but shouldn't you realize before 22 weeks that you're pregnant?

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IKU57 1 year, 1 month ago

What is it about ideologues in government and in religion, both one and the same it seems, that they feel the need to rule your life?

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Randall Uhrich 1 year, 1 month ago

Sadly, the Republican war on women is alive and well in Kansas. Ladies need to quit voting like their redneck husbands.

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Hooligan_016 1 year, 1 month ago

Go Kansas!

err .. Brownbackistan!

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KansasLiberal 1 year, 1 month ago

"Another amendment would have removed language that links breast cancer to abortions...but [the] amendment failed"

Why do anti-choice zealots feel the need to lie about abortions so much?

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parrothead8 1 year, 1 month ago

If men could get pregnant, Kansas abortion laws would look very different right now.

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msezdsit 1 year, 1 month ago

Government growing at breakneck speed. "Nanny state whiners" are the biggest nannies. Nationally, many in the republican party have begun to see that this radical right wing splinter group of republicans are the problem but we still produce them by the cattle car load in Kansas.

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