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State government buildings to allow concealed carry of guns

June 28, 2013

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— Gov. Sam Brownback's administration announced Friday that people licensed to carry a concealed gun can bring those weapons into state office buildings that are not exempted by a new law that takes effect Monday.

"The Kansas Legislature clearly indicated the belief that properly licensed individuals should be allowed to exercise their right to carry concealed firearms in most public buildings," said Kansas Interim Secretary of Administration Mark McGivern.

Under the law approved during the recent legislative session, concealed carry is permitted in public buildings unless the buildings have guards and security machines to screen for weapons.

The state could have exempted its buildings for six months but chose not to, McGivern said.

The law defines a state or municipal building as “a building owned or leased by such public entity.” The Department of Administration said the definition of a building leased by the state includes free standing buildings in which the state is the sole tenant.

Chuck Knapp, a spokesman for the Administration Department, said that means that the Kansas Department for Children and Families office in Lawrence, will allow concealed carry for those who have a license to carry.

The Administration agency is seeking clarification from the Attorney General on how the law affects leased premises within a building where the state is not the sole tenant. For those buildings, administration has exercised a six-month exemption.

State correctional facilities, courtrooms and law enforcement agencies are generally exempt from the new law. Certain state health care facilities and post-secondary educational facilities may notify the Attorney General of six month and four-year exemptions to the law. The Kansas Board of Regents has taken the six-month waiver on behalf of the universities, including Kansas University.

The Kansas Department for Aging and Disability Services and the Kansas Commission on Veterans’ Affairs have exercised six month extensions for their health care facilities throughout the state.

Comments

wils_25 1 year, 5 months ago

Sweet! Now I just need a place to park my horse. If anyone disagrees we can pace it off in front of the courthouse and let the bullets fly! It's back to the Wild West, yee haw!

JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 5 months ago

I guess if you ignore reality you can claim nothing is real. How many people have to die because people like you refuse to accept the new reality?

Liberty275 1 year, 5 months ago

It's a New World Reality and you will comply.

LOL.

Maracas 1 year, 5 months ago

Do concealed carry permits require an IQ test?

kansasredlegs 1 year, 5 months ago

Your argument is tired. The same thing I heard when the speed limit went from 55 mph to 65 mph to 70 mph to 75 mph.... Remember that one? You know, the State of Kansas had better buy a lot of body bags. Now do you also remember that highway deaths actually dropped for some unknown reason, go figure, uh?

speedy47 1 year, 5 months ago

Maybe it was safer built autos and seat belts.

skull 1 year, 5 months ago

Three articles in one day...the NRA "protect myself" crowd hasn't regurgitated enough bs to make it here yet.

kernal 1 year, 5 months ago

That's the past. I think most of us are more interested in what will take place in the next five years as there are many more first time gun owners who also have their first CCL license. The real concern is more accidental shootings and incorrectly perceived threats than we've seen in the past. More importantly, we've done nothing to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and convicted felons.

jwljpm 1 year, 5 months ago

Regardless of whether any crimes have ever been committed by gun toting radicals, firearms in public buildings concealed or open are inappropriate and unnecessary. Our state has gone absolutely nuts.

ksscribbler 1 year, 5 months ago

I gotta think that concealed carry training and testing is like the drivers license exam. Not an intelligence test.

But for those of us of a certain age, words from our childhood come to mind. Duck and cover.

redneck 1 year, 5 months ago

I'm all for law abiding citizens carrying a gun, and could care less what anybody else thinks. Those of us who possess a CCL are damn serious about carrying a gun, and don't carry one just to be cool or make a fashion statement. We have been trained when to fire and when to hold our fire, and we do not want to shoot innocent bystanders. We have also been made aware of the liability if we happen to shoot an innocent bystander, so we won't spray bullets everywhere when we are forced to draw our weapon. At least I can die trying to defend myself, rather than running like a scared rabbit, and praying to God that the nut job with the gun either runs out of ammo, or just doesn't find me. Guns are necessary when seconds count, and the police are minutes away.

ebyrdstarr 1 year, 5 months ago

Nice to know you don't give a hoot how others feel. Thanks for that.

Liberty275 1 year, 5 months ago

Why should he? He has the right to own and bear arms and the state has issued him a CC license. The opinions of other people are irrelevant.

Armored_One 1 year, 5 months ago

Why does everyone ignore the well regulated militia part of the second amendment? Kansas doesn't have a militia, last I knew...

uncleandyt 1 year, 5 months ago

Often, if not always, the CCL enjoyers write as if they have met every other CCLman and found him to be "damn serious" and a "law abiding" good guy. That line is hard to believe. This law will encourage people to buy guns and carry them in crowds. Think about it.

KNUCKLEDRAGGER 1 year, 5 months ago

Please think about The IQ test and personality profile testing for each applicant. How many hot heads, macho tough guys , wannabe cowboys etc basically people who get angry and upset about something minor and stupid. Who are armed and ill equipped to handle a firearm in a stressful situation.

wils_25 1 year, 5 months ago

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redneck 1 year, 5 months ago

Knuckledragger. Please remind me as to how many CCL holders have shot someone because they were hot heads, macho tough guys , wannabe cowboys etc.: basically people who got angry and upset about something minor and stupid? How many have shot innocent bystanders or people who were not threating them or others with violent force? I know you are concerned about it, but it hasn't happened and the CCL's were first issued in Kansas in 2007. It has been almost 6 years with law abiding citizens carrying a gun, and what you fear has not happened. How many criminals have been set free because of prison overcrowding? Murderers have been set free after serving only 15 to 20 years. We need to put fear in the hearts of the criminals, because the law isn't doing it. We need to make the criminals wonder how many people in a mall, theater, school, etc. are carrying a gun. I hope to God that I never have to shoot somebody, but if it comes down to them or me dying, it will be them if I have anything to say about it.

skull 1 year, 5 months ago

Here's some examples of "hot-heads, macho tough guys, wannabe cowboys," but you'll have to actually read the incidents. http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

Liberty275 1 year, 5 months ago

From 2007 to sorta present, 516 people were killed by CC holders. In 2010, 16,259 were killed by homicide.

The CC holders seem far less dangerous than the non CC holders.

Mark English 1 year, 5 months ago

Good lord if that is all you have to show us we got the point in your last 12 posts. We all can pull articles to show the stats that we would like to front.

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 5 months ago

What fascinates me about these comments is that we are discussing CCW and its relative merits. The real issue we should be discussing is the relative wisdom of allowing CC in state government buildings....

jafs 1 year, 5 months ago

What happens when an upset parent brings their gun into the KDCF building, and shoots somebody?

Custody issues, and issues of neglect, etc. stir up lots of strong emotions.

I think my main problem with the arguments from "pro gun" folks is the artificial distinction between "law abiding citizens" and "criminals" - everybody who hasn't committed a crime and been caught is in the first group, but there's no guarantee that they won't wind up in the second.

The level of maturity, responsibility, and competence varies in that first group - just look around at drivers in Lawrence. Unless you call all of the folks who don't drive right "criminals", there are lots of law abiding citizens who can't drive right. All of those folks can get cc permits, right?

Why should I believe that they'll be any better at following cc regulations than they are at driving?

50YearResident 1 year, 5 months ago

The sky is falling, beware of cc holders falling from the sky along with the frogs. Your comparisons are flawed the same as your views on cc holders.

jafs 1 year, 5 months ago

Please provide some substantive comments on my post, if you have them.

How am I wrong? Is it untrue that the same folks who drive like idiots can get cc permits? Why should I think they'll be any better at cc stuff than driving? A car is a lethal weapon, and they don't seem to use much caution with that.

50YearResident 1 year, 5 months ago

Am I detecting "road rage" in your post? Maybe your driver license should be revoked.

jafs 1 year, 5 months ago

Again, a lack of substantive discussion, combined with personal attacks.

Moving on.

For the record, both I and my wife have "safe driver" discounts from our insurance company.

Armored_One 1 year, 5 months ago

I always thought that the armed security guards were there for that reason. Silly me...

50YearResident 1 year, 5 months ago

The State House isn't worried about Concealed Carry holders going into the Capitol Building. What are the City Commissioners doing that makes them worry about the same group of people. Is local government doing things that will infuriate the public? Makes you wonder, doesn't it.

Armored_One 1 year, 5 months ago

One question, if I may...

Here is the scenario, to frame he question:

Law abiding CC carries into Building A. Whackjob does the same thing, only they do something very bad with that gun. CC draws weapon, fires, but in the heat of the moment, also hits an innocent.

Is the innocent entitled to sue the CC holder?

50YearResident 1 year, 5 months ago

Here's a better scenario, a law aiding cc holder enters Building A. Whack job does the same thing. Nobody does anything, no shots are fired. Everyone goes home again safely. There does not have to be shooting every time a cc holder goes into a building. I know personally several CC Holders, they have had a license for 5 years, none of them have carried a gun into a federal building and none of them has fired a shot at anybody. So the question is, why are you afraid of people with CC Permits? Why do you think anyone close to them is going to get hit by a stray bullet? It' is not going to happen. And as has been said here before, you are more likely to be killed by a lightening strike. So, how many of your friends have been killed by a lightening strike? Start worrying about lightening!

Armored_One 1 year, 5 months ago

I was just wondering in general, and since I got a couple of responses, the addendum question can be asked without impinging on the first question.

Can the innocent sue the state for creating the environment that such a shooting could happen? The extreme vast majority of firearms are detectable to metal scanners and a number of state level governmental buildings have 2 entrances/exits. Couldn't a viable argument be made that instead of spending the time debating this issue, and the cost it would have taken to pay the legislature for their time, two metal detectors could have been acquired, and since there are armed guards in a number of them already, no need to increase personnel levels.

It's the argument that I would make, at least. I guarantee operating one of those machines has GOT to be cheaper than paying for a politician, let alone paying for the lawsuit that would be won if that went to a jury trial. Any hint that it was a single parent, or something along those lines, and it's almost guaranteed these days...

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 5 months ago

I'm not an attorney, Armored_One, and it has been a long time since that 10th-grade government class. Yet, I recall a concept called sovereign immunity which was essentially that you cannot sue the government unless it wants you to sue it. If memory serves, it is in the Eleventh Amendment.

Armored_One 1 year, 5 months ago

Instead of shooting and wounding someone, would the CC person be jailed for shooting and killing an unarmed person? I'd say bystander, but most people scatter when gunfire starts, or at least that is what I have noticed. There is bound to be someone that is panicked enough to dash right across a field of fire.

What crime/s can that person be charged with? Police and security guards have protections in place, written into laws, for such incidents, but what about the average citizen?

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 5 months ago

You've been around enough gunfire to notice that "people scatter," Armored_One? Where are you spending your free time?

Charlie Bannister 1 year, 5 months ago

Guns--when seconds count and the police are only minutes away. NRA keeps stats on all states, what crimes are committed, what their CCW permit system is like, etc. EVERY single state where there has been a CCW law instituted the crime rate has fallen in fairly significant fashion. Mental cases will go to where they know there are no guns allowed and no one will shoot back, i.e. Sandy Hook. That is exactly why ALL schools should have armed security or police. Armed teachers would be nice too. The numbers do not lie folks. We are safer with the guns than without them.

Trumbull 1 year, 5 months ago

I saw some dude in the grocery store with a gun on his hip. Couldn't tell if he was a security guard or a police, or maybe just somebody carrying a gun. Who knows.

The lines are getting grey.

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 5 months ago

You would have known were he a plain-clothed police officer, Trumbull: he would have been displaying a badge near the weapon. You would have seen both the firearm and the badge.

uncleandyt 1 year, 5 months ago

Is this another law dictated to our Representatives by ALEC??

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