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Letters to the Editor

False prophets

March 24, 2012

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To the editor:

The following passage by Jude in Jude 1:3-4 (ESV) is addressed to Christians: “Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.” Jude then goes on to explain that these people included unbelievers, fallen angels, sexually immoral, murderers, greedy and rebellious people, scoffers and people who cause divisions. Jude describes their ultimate condemnation and says that they serve as an example of those who will undergo an eternal punishment.

I thought about this indictment when I received a message located at: http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=106938 which argues that President Obama is the most Biblically hostile president in U.S. history. Several of Jude’s descriptions are mentioned, including hostility to Christians, homosexuality and same sex marriage, abortion for convenience or murder, division between Muslims and Christians and unbelief in Jesus as Messiah,

Jesus said in Matthew 7:15-16: “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”

Jesus’ warning has to do with identifying false prophets because He knew this was something we must be able to do even in our time.

Comments

eduardo73 2 years ago

Something about the name "wallbuilders" seems to me to conjure up images of those "who would cause divisions," as warned of in the writers chosen passage. I think it's important to be weary of "false prophets" such as these "Wallbuilders."

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whats_going_on 2 years ago

Same people, same arguments about the same old garbage. You all DO realize that you aren't going to change each other's minds, right? Find a hobby.

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years ago

Christian carpetbaggers anxiously await the opportunity to mandate their faith upon all. And just as they attempt to put a stranglehold on my Republican party, they plan to forcibly convert the nation to their warm and comfy modern version of theocratic domination. And if you don't sign on to their agenda, you are godless/athiest/socialist, etc.

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BornAgainAmerican 2 years ago

"All prophets are likely false."

Typical post from the Party of Atheists.

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jonas_opines 2 years ago

All prophets are likely false. The problem for Carl is that likely also includes Jesus.

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geekin_topekan 2 years ago

Carl says "they serve as an example of those who will undergo an eternal punishment." ++++ WHich means that all will be taken care of in the end. So why is Carl so concerned? Is his God not moving quickly enough for poor Carl? Carl himself is claiming to know what is best for mankind over the actions of his God. Wold that not make Carl a candidate that lake O'flames?

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overplayedhistory 2 years ago

Jesus was a false prophet.

He was much to nice to be the prophet of one of his followers. I am sure he would not be proud, the way his name is used to rally so much hate. The church morality banks are overdrawn.

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overplayedhistory 2 years ago

Thats Rich! the bible warned us about Obama.

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deec 2 years ago

Do people get brownie points in heaven these days for inappropriate use of quotation marks? Are they paid by the Koch brothers by the quote mark? What's up with that?

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years ago

“Beware of false prophets"

It appears to me that the concluding sentence of this letter to the editor implies that the writer believes President Obama is a false prophet.

I am totally unaware of any prophecies that President Obama has made. To be a prophet, you need to make at least one prophesy.

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guess_again 2 years ago

Floride, any one? Any one?

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Paul R Getto 2 years ago

I'll admit to being critical of President Bush, but I don't hate him. He made some policy choices I disliked. All the hate talk from either side is silly and doesn't help us out of our messes.

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Ragingbear 2 years ago

Christians, and indeed all religionists are stupid and should be the new second class.

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Gotalife 2 years ago

It was not meant to be a jab, but a really helpful suggestion, especially if you plan to try to influence anyone about anything now or in the future. It may just be me, but the hostility from within you seems to be overflowing. I am moving on now to other blogs and posts, enjoy your day....it's warm, get outside and take in a little mind clearing fresh air. (Smile)

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Gotalife 2 years ago

I see no personal insults, just general assumptions based on the language you are using. Mertz, calm down, take a deep breath (in through the nose and out through the mouth); everything will be alright. I'm pretty sure the sun will come up tomorrow and you will be able to share your thoughts another day and in hopes of finding those who agree with you.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 years ago

Geez, not too much more to say about this, I guess just that it never ceases to amaze me how much hobgobbelry and fiction can be drummed up by people who firmly believe their religious fantisies and how much that should provide them wist some creditibility to bash and trash others from the Prfesident of the United States (the black guy in the White House) to any neighbor who's car is still in the driveway on Sunday morning.

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Gotalife 2 years ago

What I am saying is when you put a person in charge of government who uses religion as a way to govern, you harm others who do not think this way. You force religious beliefs on those who don't share them, you make decisions based on your own morality and not on what's best for all Americans. The Salem Witch trials are a good early example of persecution in the name of religion (and yes I said an "early example" lets don't play semantics), the Phelps church and anyone who thinks like them, the Catholic priests who abuse children and believe they are above the law because of the high religious ranking, and on and on and on and on. And especially those on here who now use religion to wage their political battles for them. It would be nice to see some degree of acceptance for these things that have been done. Sadly, I see that is not your cup of TEA. Might I suggest that BAA and Mertz take a course in religion and or politics at one of our nearby higher learning institutes.

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Brock Masters 2 years ago

Gotalife what a waste of a post. This type of media cannot accomodate long fully complete analysis of issues or comments in just one post. It requires a back and forth but you expect me to list fully all the bad things done in the name of religion.

Why didn't you name the ones I missed?

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Gotalife 2 years ago

And somehow Mertz, your way of speaking is equally frightening when you try to lessen the role Christianity has played in the destruction of others now and in the past. You are focused on only a few individuals mentioned. I am pretty sure Deec knows exactly what we're talking about here; at the same time, it seems to have gone totally over your head.

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Gotalife 2 years ago

Wow! After what one of our own American soldiers did to innocent women and children, I wouldn't think you would want to go there. I am sure we can come up with a very long list of supposed "Christian" people who did horrific things in the name of religion.

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Gotalife 2 years ago

And no, I do not need or want a long rambling conversation about our forefathers and how the US is a Christian nation. I am well versed in our history.

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Gotalife 2 years ago

It baffles me that some people are unable to separate religious beliefs from the business of politics. Not being able to do so, means you will constantly be disappointed with politicians and life in general. That is what we now find in this conversational rhetoric: hopelessness, frustration, and once again desperation. I find it particularly amusing that some want to operate the country under one way of religious thought, all the while condemning other nations from doing the same thing; how about that hypocrisy?

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its_just_math 2 years ago

If Obama is a false prophet, this is all desperate---you're right Gota. Anything he says is gospel, especially to his followers. That's what false prophets are all about---that's what they do. He can tell America "too bad" over gas, yet stand in a refinery yard and tell people what he's doing positively about energy and his admirers get all hopey/changey feeling.

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Liberty275 2 years ago

"unbelievers, fallen angels, sexually immoral, murderers, greedy and rebellious people, scoffers"

5 out of 7 isn't bad. I haven't killed anyone and angels are just part of the god-fantasy, so you'll have to excuse me on those.

Additionally, all prophets are frauds.

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Gotalife 2 years ago

I seriously doubt that the President loses any sleep worrying about what any of you are saying about him. As a person of the Christian faith, I am embarrassed by most of the right wing rhetoric, it sounds really desperate folks.

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its_just_math 2 years ago

"There are a lot of people whose self-concept as a good person is validated by their advocacy of what they think of as enlightened and compassionate liberalism. If politics makes them a good person, it frees up their consciences when dealing with others in real life. Very convenient.

But if an annoying conservative (me) challenges the morality of the very policies that make them moral persons, they suffer painful cognitive dissonance."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/03/liberal_intolerance_by_the_numbers.html#ixzz1q3SjC6Zg

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BornAgainAmerican 2 years ago

I love it when the Party of Atheists show up to bash Christians, Christianity and traditional America. This will be a spring board for all kinds Far Left ideological issues. We will be subjected to their mantras on homosexuality, class warefare, War on Women and all manner of divisive strategies created by the left to avoid discussion of the failures and shortcomings of the Annointed One and his administration. I just made some popcorn. I will watch today. It oughta' be entertaining.

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Jimo 2 years ago

No one said that when racist, Christianist whites finally sunk to a minority in this country that the event would be as peaceful as a lamb. When your entire worldview paints yourself as the only "real Americans" but you are repeatedly confronted with evidence to the contrary, the reaction isn't a self-aware reflection on how your beliefs differ from reality or an appreciation of the wide variety of creation but rather an ever greater insistence on orthodoxy in ideology and dogma so extreme that it can never be extreme enough.

(Isn't it curious that each of our GOP candidate's obsessive need to proclaim themselves as "true conservatives" is paired with a recent history of endorsing the very policies they brand derisively today with (supposed) perjorative labels such as "liberal," "socialist", or "communist"?)

Today's radical Republicans remind me of no one more than those who are repulsed so much by their own uncontrollable homosexual urges that they are transformed into obsessive anti-gay antagonists.

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voevoda 2 years ago

Does Carl Burkhead mean to condemn the website critical of President Obama, because it is false and divisive? That does seem to be the implication of his letter. Or maybe the other way around? It's odd that he didn't ascertain that his point would be clear to readers.

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Darrell Lea 2 years ago

Isn't it ironic how those who choose to misinterpret their favorite religious text never see themselves as the "false prophets" they go on about? It's always the other guy.

In an effort to familiarize readers with some of the crackpots out there, here's some more happy text from the "About Us" page on the Wallbuilders web site, referenced in paragraph two of the letter:

"WallBuilders is an organization dedicated to presenting America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on the moral, religious, and constitutional foundation on which America was built – a foundation which, in recent years, has been seriously attacked and undermined."

"In the Old Testament book of Nehemiah, the nation of Israel rallied together in a grassroots movement to help rebuild the walls of Jerusalem and thus restore stability, safety, and a promising future to that great city. We have chosen this historical concept of "rebuilding the walls" to represent allegorically the call for citizen involvement in rebuilding our nation's foundations."

"WallBuilders' goal is to exert a direct and positive influence in government, education, and the family by (1) educating the nation concerning the Godly foundation of our country; (2) providing information to federal, state, and local officials as they develop public policies which reflect Biblical values; and (3) encouraging Christians to be involved in the civic arena."

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tomatogrower 2 years ago

He got this on the internet. It must be true. Like those death panels, and fake birth certificate. And he just knows anytime now this guy in Nigeria is going to send him some millions of dollars, because he just wired the guy a thousand dollars. And besides his preacher tells him it's true, so it must be.

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observant 2 years ago

Some religious nutcase writes a sermon, not a simple letter to the editor and fellow religious nutcases immediately start attacking Obama. Was this the latest memo from Fox on what to say? Wonder why most people consider GOP/Teabaggers as totally nuts?

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tomatogrower 2 years ago

Hmm. Building walls. How many conservative politicians and extremist preachers labeled people not the "right kind" of Christian. We have Catholic priests molesting children. We have nut case preachers taking a whole lot of money from people who believed him when he said the world was coming to an end, then saying "oops, I was wrong." . And I'm sure thinking, "See ya around, sucker." Not to mention all the other televangelists who live high off the hog from "prayer" donations sent in by people who can't afford it There are preachers who are preaching hate of Muslims, whether or not they have ever thought of jihad. There are some that even burn other people's sacred books. We had a minister in Kansas who killed his wife for another woman. And he isn't the only "holier than thou" minister fooling around on his wife with another woman or a man. We have a "holier than thou" politician whose wife, sadly, had a late term abortion to save her life, so she could raise her other children, but he and she would deny that right to other women. We have right wing preachers right here in Kansas who have their poor members tithe their welfare checks, instead of helping them get off welfare.

When these things are done by conservative "religious" folk, other conservatives say that they are just human and forgive them. If they are done by people in the middle of political spectrum or to the left of the middle, then they are evil and followers of the devil.

I don't have time to look up the exact quote in the Bible, but I believe the it warns people that false prophets will try and come across as "good" Christians, even "better than thou" Christians, but they will be very evil. President Obama doesn't do this. He comes across as very secular, and realizes that not everyone in our great country is a strict, flat earth Christian, and they should have freedoms too. Who are the real false prophets?

When I first read this letter I thought Coan was referring to these hypocrites, but then I realized he was talking about President Obama. There are many churches all around this country who preach the love of Jesus, who accepted people and was killed, because religion and politics were too chummy. They would even welcome people like the Phelps, hoping to cure them of their hatred. If your church preaches hate, they are the false prophets. Open your eyes and try reading the Bible. Who is really building walls?

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deec 2 years ago

Considering red states/conservatives buy more porn than blue states/ liberals, it is pretty amusing that conservatives attack morality. "Residents of 27 states that passed laws banning gay marriages boasted 11% more porn subscribers than states that don't explicitly restrict gay marriage." "States where a majority of residents agreed with the statement "I have old-fashioned values about family and marriage," bought 3.6 more subscriptions per thousand people than states where a majority disagreed. A similar difference emerged for the statement "AIDS might be God's punishment for immoral sexual behaviour."" http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16680-porn-in-the-usa-conservatives-are-biggest-consumers.html I guess they just can't control themselves, so they want to ban it for everybody. I don't remember liberals having to hold Porn Sundays.

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its_just_math 2 years ago

I know. Fleabaggers defecate on cop cars, beat up cops and trash public property all 'cause W did two terms. Is W responsible for the moles out in my yard? The bird poop on my windshield? W was put on earth by Satan.

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grammaddy 2 years ago

"....many idiots were hoodwinked by Obama." And George Bush was exactly what everyone wanted??? Twice??It wasn't the "corrupt media" that brought about the hatred for Bush, he did that all by himself. This is why no one with a lick of sense will take the Rethuglicans seriously for a long time. And now, look at the Clown Car full of idiots you folks are trying to push on us .You've alienated the 99%, women and minorities( more than 1/2 of the American population) but yet, you feel you have a chance of winning.Where do they do that?This is a much different country than I grew up in.We want it back.

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Mike Ford 2 years ago

guess what....tom shewman used to use words like liberaltines.... where is he now???? nice subject change,,,,not real smart though,,,, what we expect from you though...little substance....no facts,,,,, desperate sounding nonsense,,,,

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FalseHopeNoChange 2 years ago

"Prophet" or not. The Obama Genre is "Perfect" for "Liberaltines". They need him. They are complete with him. "If he had a son he would look like Trayvon".

One way. See the light. I love him too! I love him as if The Obama were Kansan.

Noone can say anything bad about The Obama. He "IS" half Kansan.

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its_just_math 2 years ago

Let's talk in simple terms: many idiots were hoodwinked by Obama. But, in all fairness, the corrupt media had whupped up such hatred for GWB and so much sycophancy for The Anointed One that many felt as though they were turning to Obama as though he was God in their Bush Derangement Syndrome inflicted brains. Sickening? True? Reality? Finality? Incredulous?

Yup, all of those and more.

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deec 2 years ago

Is he talking about Fox News?

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