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Editorial: Step aside

December 30, 2012

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To the editor:

I think John Boehner and the Republicans should step aside (and let Obama do what he does best, tax and spend) with the understanding he does not like anything about Obama’s plan. If we go over the “fiscal cliff,” the Republicans will get blamed and hurt our chances in 2016. Give Obama enough rope and he will … well, you know what I mean. This will be his legacy. ‘Nuff said.

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JohnBrown 1 year, 3 months ago

The fact-free world of the Tea Baggers is amusing. Republicans are to blame for 75% (+/-) of our national debt. Reagan tops the list for using the credit card, but W did a fine job too. In fact, under W (and with the aid of Brownback) the US depleted its annual surplus and drove us into debt AND set up the on-going recession, thereby setting up the next president for more deficits.

Democrats may "tax and spend" but all Republicans do is "Spend". Which one makes more sense?

JohnBrown

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Armstrong 1 year, 3 months ago

I would like to congratulate our President on the exceptional job of leadership he has provided as we go over the " fiscal cliff ". Congrats also to those with the vision and foresight to think anything else would be different by re-electing the candy man to another term. Have a Happy New Year !

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

If Boehner and McConnell stick to their guns and Obama and Dems go ahead with their wealth confiscation plan, you can go ahead and stuff a file folder full of your deductions by the way, but your mortgage interest is the only thing your tax accountant will be interested in and after he/she pugs in the numbers and now if you fall under the AMT, mortgage interest is the only thing he/she will need and will hand your formerly useful big fat folder of deductions right back to you. Of course, most if not all of those salivating for tax hikes and more entitlements surely don't even come close to AMT, if they even have a job at all.

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

INCREASES NOBODY WANTS There are two categories of tax increases that are scheduled to kick in but are widely expected to be tamed because neither party wants them: the end of the Bush-era tax cuts for low- and middle-income families and an expansion of the alternative minimum tax that would capture an additional 26 million taxpayers.

Around 70 percent of tax filers will be affected by the end of the Bush-era tax cuts for those with income under about $200,000 or $250,000 for married couples. Taxes on households in the middle quintile would rise by an average of $888, while taxes on those in the top quintile would rise an average of $3,841.

The alternative minimum tax, or A.M.T., sets a minimum tax rate for people earning above a certain income threshold, and was created in a slightly different form in 1969 to make sure wealthy people paid their “fair” share of taxes. Taxpayers who earn more than that minimum are supposed to calculate how much they owe under the regular system and how much they owe under the A.M.T., and then pay whichever is larger.

*The minimum income that sets off the A.M.T. is not indexed to inflation, however. Over the last decade, Congress has repeatedly passed a temporary “patch” so that tens of millions more taxpayers are not captured by it. If Congress does not act before Dec. 31, the A.M.T. will apply to some married couples earning as little as $45,000 and single taxpayers earning as little as $33,750.

At least another patch is considered likely, to keep the A.M.T. from snaring millions of Americans below the median household income. “Congress doesn’t want that to happen, and the president doesn’t want that to happen,” said Mr. Williams. “The only thing that will stop them from patching it is a total logjam, which we can’t totally rule out at this point.”*

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/business/the-coming-tax-changes-for-individuals.html?_r=0&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1356966371-RqKvHo2x0HLZ/dTZIcwQ1w

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

Please, please please Boehner and McConnell.........let Obama and his rogue extemist wing of the Dem party go over the fiscal cliff alone!

Please do not deal with them......let them own it---now, and forevermore amen.

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jafs 1 year, 3 months ago

Actually, I agree that the R should stop obstructing and let Obama and the D implement their policies.

Then, when the results of those are clear, they should get full praise or blame for them - historically, the economy has done best when we have both a D president and D Congress, and worst with R in both.

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Fretster 1 year, 3 months ago

I just read an idiotic letter. This woman is a moron.

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msezdsit 1 year, 3 months ago

If we go over the “fiscal cliff,” the Republicans will get blamed and hurt our chances in 2016.

yep and rightfully so.

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FlintlockRifle 1 year, 3 months ago

Thats what is wrong with this country, people reading in what they want on someones innocent letter, I am sure she didn't give it a thought when she was wriiting it.

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jayhawklawrence 1 year, 3 months ago

The crimes that Obama is guilty of:

  1. Having a foreign sounding name.
  2. Getting affordable health care for the poor who might otherwise die or end up on the street homeless.
  3. Force the wealthiest Americans to give up tax cuts they were unfairly given in the first place under the false premise that their extra bonuses would actually fund two wars.
  4. Letting black folks live in the all White House.

You know after all these years I still expect more from a woman.

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

Hello observant. Where do you get your news? I'd like a fresh and exciting news source for a change. Do you watch Nightly News with Brian Williams? Huffie? Moveon? Dailykos? MediaMatters? MSNBC? Rachel Maddow?

Where do I go to get up to speed with your seemingly vast political knowledge? Please tell me.

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observant 1 year, 3 months ago

Ms Rogers Might I suggest you get your news from a few sources other than Fox and the druggie?

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

From all that I've read there so many sources for money.

Lol! Hmmm, Wonder what those sources would be?

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

Medicare Single Payer Insurance for All should be introduced as a choice for those who wish to indulge. It would certainly reduce the cost of government and school districts substantially.

Guide to Going Over the Cliff which does not look real scary... http://www.thenation.com/blog/171932/guide-going-cliff

The new boys an girls can come in and settle this matter.

From all that I've read there so many sources for money. Congress should take time out from raising campaign funds to educate themselves. As it is it is the same ole crap year after year.

Seems like congress could be among the most misinformed.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

Breaking News ...for now on the cliff. Social Security is off the table for the moment. That makes sense.

How do we get Mitch McConnell off the tax dollar payroll..... talk about entitlements. This dude is wasteful.

Those sweet congressional retirement plans are truly entitlements.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

There are some ENTITLEMENTS that need to be investigated and brought before a grand jury. These entitlements have wrecked the USA economy and placed millions upon millions out of jobs. It seems to me many white collars should be in jail.

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT - TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist = Grab Your Wallets! http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT - Bailing out The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist aka home loan scandal sent the economy out the window costing taxpayers many many $$ trillions (Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion), Plus millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT Bailing out the Bush/Cheney Home Loan Wall Street Bank Fraud cost consumers $ trillions, millions of jobs, loss of retirement plans and loss of medical insurance. Exactly like the Reagan/Bush home loan scam. Déjà vu can we say. Yep seems to be a pattern. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT - Bush/Cheney implied many financial institutions were at risk instead of only 3? One of the biggest lies perpetrated to American citizens. Where did this money go? Why were some banks forced to take bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

--- RECKLESS GOP Tax cuts = THE GOP ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy which do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs. Tax cuts are a tax increase to others in order to make up the loss in revenue = duped again. Bush Tax Cuts aka

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy is at the expense of the middle class = duped one more time. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

--- In the end big debt and super duper bailouts HAVE BEEN the results which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power.

--- In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT - Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT - Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

--- This GOP ENTITLEMENT - Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

There is no real danger in going over the cliff = the cliff is repub theatre. Let's go for the cliff. The new congress can make repairs if necessary.

However there is a Guide to Going Off the Cliff. It doesn't look all that scary.

George Zornick on December 29, 2012 http://www.thenation.com/blog/171932/guide-going-cliff

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Starlight 1 year, 3 months ago

The poor woman is just following in step with the rest of the losers. God intended legitimate idiocy.

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bisky1 1 year, 3 months ago

instead of taxing the rich would it not be wiser to raise revenue? oh, and cut spending.

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rwwilly 1 year, 3 months ago

The author has a point. The real problem is the long lasting effects of Obamas excessive spending will not be felt for, perhaps,10 to 20 years when debt payments become 10-15% of the overall budget. The "fairness" issue aside, current interest rates hovering around zero are not the historical norm. When rates rise and debt payments go through the ceiling you won't have the "rich" anymore to sustain your revenue growth. Then what? Obama is mortgaging your children's future and your children's children. This is a difficult concept for liberals who have been feeding at the goverment trough for generations to understand. Obama will be comfortably retired to Hawaii on a nice pension by then.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

Make no mistake herein lies the problem: aka GOP ENTITLEMENT.

The repub party declared the day Obama was elected their primary function would be to make Obama a one term president. Consequently their millions of NO votes became the disastrous campaign against women,The USA and jobs for Americans. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/09/did-republicans-deliberately-crash-us-economy

People in America need jobs which means the USA cannot wait another 4 years. Congress has options therefore there is no reason to repeat the performance of the past 4 years. Millions of jobs that cannot be outsourced will provide new economic growth thus squashing any Fiscal Cliff.

This GOP will hold millions upon millions upon millions of jobless Americans hostage so they can play their games.

It's time for democrats to step up to the plate and stop playing this game. It's time to move forward and cut the nonsense.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

Yes President Obama and the Democrats have many more options in which to bring this economy around and completely forget about the alleged Fiscal Cliff.

First off Uncle Sam needs to employ as many workers as necessary to rehab our nations federal highways and bridges that are 70 years old.

Second the president should fill all the regulation enforcement vacancies that guard our food,pharmaceuticals,home loans and insurance industries. The IRS vacancies as well.

Then we do this: Robin Hood tax http://www.robinhoodtax.org

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 3 months ago

Where’s the money to fix America in addition to jobs jobs jobs?

Stop giving investors a sweetheart deal = 
Additional revenue: $533 billion over 10 years.

Quit subsidizing mansions and vacation homes = 
Additional revenue: $214.6 billion over 10 years.

End the "step up" giveaway on inherited stocks = 
Additional revenue: $764 billion over 10 years.

Revitalize the "death tax" = 
Additional revenue: $432 billion over 10 years.

Heed America's favorite investment guru = 
Additional revenue: $171 billion over 10 years.

Reset back to Clinton-era tax rates for upper incomes = 
Additional revenue: $442 billion over 10 years.

Take agribusiness giants off the federal teat = 
Additional revenue: $112 billion over 10 years.

End oil and gas drilling in Washington, DC = 
Additional revenue: $158 billion over 10 years.

Forget cap and trade: Impose a carbon tax instead = 
Additional revenue: $1.25 trillion over 10 years.

Stop giving corporations an excuse to hide profits and send jobs abroad = 
Additional revenue: $583 billion over 10 years.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/10-easy-ways-avoid-fiscal-cliff

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weeslicket 1 year, 3 months ago

the movie is about a poster who joined (again) on december 25, 2012.

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Laus_Deo 1 year, 3 months ago

It is Obama's economy. It is his baby. He is the man with the plan. He is the inspiration of so many that voted for him. His voters, inspired by Obama wisdom, will take this country to levels not yet witnessed since....since never!

oh, and The D is silent.

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

The wording in this letter is reminding me of the effigies of GWB or Palin---effigies that at the time, did not raise any eyebrows from the extremist left.

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disappointed_regressive 1 year, 3 months ago

I agree R's should not be signatories to any of the Obama tax & spend policies. Let him and the D's go off the fiscal cliff by themselves.

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Mike Myers 1 year, 3 months ago

Wow Margaret Rogers. Wow, just wow. LJWORLD I am quite surprised that you would publish such a blatantly racist comment. What a horrible thing to read.

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Laus_Deo 1 year, 3 months ago

This LTE reminds me of a part in the white liberal Tarantino's movie Django. The D is silent. It was a hilarious movie.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-django-reax-2-20121228,0,1771716.story

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xeniahawk 1 year, 3 months ago

Yeah, we know what happened under the previous administration. Cut taxes and spend like no tomorrow and then blame it all on the new guy as the economy slips over the edge. How did all that work out for you? Obama has kept our shaky economy afloat under a very difficult set of circumstances with a do nothing Congress. Actually going over the cliff would probably be a good thing with all of the necessary military cuts on the table.

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grammaddy 1 year, 3 months ago

I love it when the same idiots who trashed the economy and are now trying to throw us over the fiscal cliff try to blame Obama. Teaparty much?

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Katara 1 year, 3 months ago

So what will you do if Obama's plans helps our nation get back on her feet? Will you write a letter to the editor and acknowledge that you were wrong?

And why couldn't you complete the saying of giving a person enough rope to hang themselves? Why be coy about it? Or do you recognize that it isn't probably the most appropriate saying to use in reference a black man because it brings up images of lynching in that context? You have so many other choices for idioms to express the same idea - that Obama is responsible for the results of his plans.

It would be nice if you would apply the same standard to John Boehner and the Republicans but I'm fairly certain that you and other like-minded folk will continue to make excuses as to why you and other like-minded folk don't have to be responsible for the results of your actions.

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