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Neb. doctor says he will offer late-term abortions

June 11, 2009

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— A Nebraska doctor said Wednesday that he will perform third-term abortions in Kansas after the slaying of abortion provider George Tiller, but would not say whether he will open a new facility or offer the procedure at an existing practice.

Dr. LeRoy Carhart de-clined to discuss his plans in detail during a telephone interview with The Associated Press, but insisted “there will be a place in Kansas for the later second- and the medically indicated third-trimester patients very soon.”

“I just think that until everything is in place, it’s something that doesn’t need to be talked about” in detail, Carhart said a day after Tiller’s family announced his Wichita clinic was permanently shutting its doors.

Tiller’s clinic was one of the only facilities in the country that performed third-trimester abortions. Carhart has run his own clinic in Bellevue, Neb., since 1985, but had performed late-term abortions at Tiller’s clinic because of Nebraska’s more restrictive abortion laws.

Nebraska law does not allow an abortion if the fetus is considered viable, or able to survive outside the womb. Kansas law allows abortions on viable fetuses after the 21st week if carrying the pregnancy to term would endanger the mother’s life or cause a “substantial and irreversible impairment” of a major bodily function. Courts have interpreted a “major bodily function” to include mental health.

Carhart said he has not performed any abortion past the 22nd week of pregnancy at own clinic because he never trained his staff to do them.

“If I have to train the staff and if I have to do them, then that’s certainly an option” for a fetus that would not survive outside the womb, he said. Carhart said some of the staff from Tiller’s clinic may join him in Nebraska to help with training.

Carhart said he has already seen more patients at his Bellevue clinic since Tiller’s was closed after he was shot May 31 at his church. Scott Roeder, a 51-year-old Kansas City, Mo., resident, has been charged with first-degree murder and aggravated assault.

Comments

Amy Heeter 5 years, 6 months ago

He wouldn't be able to maintain here in Lawrence. If you recall George Tiller's consulting partner was here only for a short period of time before protesters ran her out of town on a rail.

motocross 5 years, 6 months ago

He better not come here! What a scumbag...

Cait McKnelly 5 years, 6 months ago

This scares me. Now that they have done it once and gotten away with it they will do it again. I fear for this man's life. He's either very brave or very stupid and considering he's a physician I highly doubt he's stupid.

motocross 5 years, 6 months ago

Bravo mr.n.b.t.y.!!! Probably Lutheran...

brujablanco 5 years, 6 months ago

This is good. Nobody should be scared, in our state, to provide a legal and necessary service. Artichoke - you seem to know alot about what happened and what will happen based on some of your comments. You scare me. Will you be part of the faction that tries to kill this doctor, too?

labmonkey 5 years, 6 months ago

"Nobody should be scared, in our state, to provide a legal and necessary service."

Your priorities are very messed up if you think murdering unborn babies is a necessary service.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 6 months ago

I agree, labmonkey-- women should be forced to carry pregnancies to full-term, even if it kills them.

redmoonrising 5 years, 6 months ago

I've said it before, will say it again, I would NEVER have an abortion. But it seems like the men are the most vocal in the resistance to any abortions. Are you guys afraid your gene pools will be shallow? For the life of me, I will never understand why you fellows seem to think that a 10-year-old victim of incest or a woman of any age who is raped should be forced to carry a fetus to term. I rather doubt all the fathers are standing in line to take responsibility for these children should they be born. And some of you who yell the loudest about abortion are also the ones who scream about having to support other people who can't support themselves. Where are you when these babies are born? Which one of you is waiting to catch the infant born with Down's Syndrome, without a brain, so severely misformed it has no chance of living a "life." Sure a lot of people want to adopt but not these babies. And I've had a severely brain damaged child that I would have had even had I known beforehand. If you all want to start leaving your addresses, maybe these young women will start leaving these children on your doorstep to love, nuture and care for. You have to realize that not all babies are born perfect. The first words out of any expectant parents mouth will be "as long as it's healthy." I would never promote abortion as a means of birth control but as a means of choice for those faced with a hearbreaking decision that they have to decide if they can live with. What right do I have to tell them what to do? The key word is choice and the rest is each person dealing with their own conscience because of that choice.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, redmoonrising, but you're a woman, so you have no right to an opinion or a choice. Your only purpose on the planet it to have babies for your husband-- and you better have at least one boy, so he can make decisions for you when your husband is dead.

God, I feel so much better with my frontal lobes removed.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 6 months ago

redmoonrising,

If the pro-life movement ceded the comparatively few pregnancies that are due to rape and incest, and also ceded those very few pregnancies that would actually kill the mother should she carry to term, AND ceded those comparatively few children that would be born with a severe abnormaility, then, then would you stand with us in opposition to the millions of abortions that are performed every year due to the simple fact that the baby will be inconvenient?

OzChicklet 5 years, 6 months ago

motocross and labmonkey - you sound like a broken record - spew, spew, spew stupidity and ignorance. Do you think these women just wake up one day and think "Oh, I've changed my mind, I really don't want a baby"? What is it you don't understand about a baby that is born that cannot survive on its own outside the womb because major organs are missing? Who are you to judge what is right and wrong for someone else? Why don't you just worry about what's right and wrong for you, and shut #$@* up!

georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 6 months ago

How long did you think it would take the Dems to find a new cash cow???

funkdog1 5 years, 6 months ago

SettingtheRecordStraight said:

If the pro-life movement ceded the comparatively few pregnancies that are due to rape and incest, and also ceded those very few pregnancies that would actually kill the mother should she carry to term, AND ceded those comparatively few children that would be born with a severe abnormaility ...

Setting the Record: When you're talking about third term abortions, nearly ALL are performed for one of the reasons you mentioned above. I will cede that there are plenty of "abortions for convenience" in the first and second trimesters. However, it's the third trimester abortions that seem to be the most reviled by people like you, yet, people like you refuse to grow up and admit that third trimester abortions are the most heart-wrenching, most difficult for women and families to go through. These are women who THINK that they're carrying a beautiful, healthy baby and then find out too late that something has gone horribly wrong. There are not scores of women waking up one morning in the third trimester and deciding that their babies are "inconvenient."

motocross 5 years, 6 months ago

OZchicklet-

THEY ARE IN THEIR THIRD TRIMESTER you dunce! They HAVE all their organs, wow... One day when you have kids, maybe you'll see the truth and quit following fads.

Blunt 5 years, 6 months ago

"And I've had a severely brain damaged child that I would have had even had I known beforehand. " - Redmoon

Redmoon, you are such a drama queen. You've stated multiple times that you have a MILDLY retarded son, and now he is severely brain damaged? He holds down a job and can actually get himself around on the T, which is more than you do. Sheesh.

peach_plum_pear 5 years, 6 months ago

Dr. Carhart is to be commended for this brave decision. As a doctor providing third-trimester abortions, he will be saving the lives of women and girls who are in the most tragic of circumstances.

if you doubt that thrid-trimester abortions aren't a form of birth control, but in most cases life-saving medical treatment, please read this:

http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/george-tiller/?ref=opinion

do we really expect that a woman should die in order to carry a pregnancy to term when the child can't survive itself more than a few painful hours? Is this really a "pro-life" position?

funkdog1 5 years, 6 months ago

ArumerZwarteHoop:

Please check out this website before you make such statements: http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/index.html These are stories that the MEDIA should be telling. We have got to eradicate the myth in this country that third term abortions are "abortions of convenience".

9070811 5 years, 6 months ago

Whats up with these "vote pro-life" ads in the middle of this article?

ooo And the american flag in the background means that it is American to be anti-choice!

O marketing, so easy to see through. Plus being American is all about making choices! Hello poor ad placement! But it's probably just the world compnay imposing their views on their readers.

9070811 5 years, 6 months ago

o And thank you logicsound.

Just because a baby makes it to the 3rd term doesn't mean it has all its organs.

Calliope877 5 years, 6 months ago

motocross (Anonymous) says…

OZchicklet-

they are in their third trimester you dunce! They HAVE all their organs, wow… One day when you have kids, maybe you'll see the truth and quit following fads.

I hereby declare this comment the "most" ignorant comment on the forum...so far.

Jaylee 5 years, 6 months ago

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…

"Wonder what church he attends?"

Mr_Nancy_Boy_To_You (Tom Shewmon) says…

"MM, Sec'y Napoleontano already ordered your 10:06 request. Liberals are inherently paranoid. Oddly though, one lone nut with a gun and liberals freak out, but a couple dozen Arabs bring down two of the biggest buildings in the US and, eh, no biggie."

barrypenders (Anonymous) says…

"Like the choozy progressive's banter….Zig heil."

motocross (Anonymous) says…

"OZchicklet-

"they are in their third trimester you dunce! They HAVE all their organs, wow… One day when you have kids, maybe you'll see the truth and quit following fads."


. . . so WTF is going on with these comments?!
tom, you are a creep sometimes. barry, i don't know why you would write that, but you definitely got some sort of point across. and moto, you have kids?!

Jaylee 5 years, 6 months ago

it just seemed odd to say. thats all.

check out this article though: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/brad_hirschfield/2009/06/dr_tillers_murder_is_an_attack.html

"Ultimately though, we need to reframe this debate from one about abortion to one about democracy. .... "When zealots act as they did this week in Kansas, they are making war on America, upon the constitution and the rule of law. Whether pro-life or pro-choice, attacks like the one on Dr. Tiller are an attack on us all.

"We can and will probably disagree about abortion for a long time to come. We may well be divided precisely because we all cherish life but can not find a common definition of when it begins. And until we do, the one thing we must share, is a commitment to keeping abortion from being the cutting edge of a crusade which trades our shared democracy for some people's theocracy. "

AMEN!

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 6 months ago

I'll borrow from Feminists for Life, a group with whom I affiliate. "Situations in which a pregnancy threatens the life of the mother are extremely rare. Emergency C-sections are often the medically appropriate response to save both mother and child. Viability at this stage of the child’s development is generally very good, especially with advances in neonatal care. Babies who weigh just under a pound are surviving!"

FFL continues, "Finally, there are issues related to mental health. While pregnancy can be a stressful experience and sometimes bring on or exacerbate depression, stress should not be 'treated' by abortion. Psychiatrists and psychologists need to treat mental health issues directly."

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 6 months ago

lame, pywacket.

(sorry, mom evoked that from me)

Overwhelmingly, abortion serves men, not women, and it exists to preserve lifestyles (rather than as a remedy for "rape or incest").

Except under (the latter rather) extreme circumstances, any woman who does not wish to become pregnant can avoid doing so. Period.

jjt 5 years, 6 months ago

I do ask each time this sort of thread comes up but still no answer. So here we go again, why do the anti abort folk believe that a woman whose baby has died in the womb two or three months before the due date feel it is wrong to have the fetus aborted?. I have heard folk say that would be wrong but not why it would be wrong.

funkdog1 5 years, 6 months ago

SettingTheRecordStraight (Anonymous) says…

I'll borrow from Feminists for Life, a group with whom I affiliate. “Situations in which a pregnancy threatens the life of the mother are extremely rare. Emergency C-sections are often the medically appropriate response to save both mother and child. Viability at this stage of the child’s development is generally very good, especially with advances in neonatal care. Babies who weigh just under a pound are surviving!”

FFL continues, “Finally, there are issues related to mental health. While pregnancy can be a stressful experience and sometimes bring on or exacerbate depression, stress should not be 'treated' by abortion. Psychiatrists and psychologists need to treat mental health issues directly.”


Setting the Record:

You know what? You're entirely correct. Situations in which a pregnancy endangers the mother's life ARE extremely rare. You know what's not so rare? Hideously lethal deformities in babies. You know why Tiller had to perform so many 3rd trimester abortions? Because a full third or quarter of the entire nation's third trimester abortions were being funneled to him.

Here's where your side refuses to see reason: Those "mental health issues" that women have in the third trimester? That's because they're going to have to carry to term a baby with just a brain stem and no brain that's going to die on the table.

How mentally strong are you? Could you carry to term and give birth to a baby with Trisomy 18 or DiGeorge Syndrome or Anencephaly or Hydrocephalus or Spina Bifida or Potter's Syndrome or a Ruptured Amniotic Sac or any other number of disorders, just to then watch it die?

It is none of your business if a woman can not mentally handle such a pregnancy. It is none of your business if a woman can't handle people seeing her pregnant for weeks, asking her if she's having a boy or a girl, asking what the name will be, all the while knowing that she will not be taking a baby home.

Have a little compassion.

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