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Associated Press

June 3, 2008, 10:19 a.m. Updated June 3, 2008, 12:45 p.m.

Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.

Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial divisions within the party.

The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.

The 46-year-old first-term senator will face Sen. John McCain of Arizona in the fall campaign to become the 44th president.

Clinton was ready to concede that her rival had amassed the delegates needed to triumph, according to officials in her campaign. These officials said the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to divulge her plans.

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3 June 2008
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RonBurgandy (Anonymous) says…

I believe that this was a false report according to the Clinton Campaign.http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/story?id=4986297&page=1
3 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

omg ron! Thanks!
3 June 2008
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Boston_Corbett (Anonymous) says…

Wolfson is denying this AP article, at least as of 10:30 am. “Absolutely not”But this is obviously all just definitional (did you die from the fall or the hitting the ground).
3 June 2008
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JoRight (Anonymous) says…

It sounds like IF he gets the expected delegates, she will concede, if he doesn't, she continue in the race.
3 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

all I can say is..now I'm “awake!!!”Such fun..politics don't get this crazed too often.
3 June 2008
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JoRight (Anonymous) says…

bah, “she will continue in the race”
3 June 2008
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igby (Anonymous) says…

The Clinton's have done enough damage to the Dem party; don't go away mad just go away. Go away broke is preferred of course.

3 June 2008
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Raider (Anonymous) says…

If she concedes, then McCain just got my vote. I can't vote for Obama. He's too inexperienced, and quite frankly I think he would be an awful POTUS. I was so hoping that Hillary would make a comeback and with the nomination.
3 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

great, cable channels are still messed up. It's been nearly 12 hrs Sunflower!The only news channel is Fox..great.
3 June 2008
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chic (Anonymous) says…

baloney - and, IF one were able to see CNN on our local cablevision station, we wouldn't have to rely on the Internet:http://www.cnn.com/2008/politics/06/03/election.democrats/index.htmla very unhappy sunflower cablevision subscriber - for now….
3 June 2008
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gccs14r (Anonymous) says…

CNN is on 44 now.If Hillary is the nominee, I might have to vote for McBush, or Nader, or someone else.
3 June 2008
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mommaeffortx2 (Anonymous) says…

are we there yet?
3 June 2008
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lawrencemom (Anonymous) says…

CNN may be on 44 (at least it was yesterday) but it doesn't do any good to knwo where it is when it doesn't work. I'm with Chic…..very unhappy. Maybe we should go satellite.
3 June 2008
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consumer1 (Anonymous) says…

We are hopeful she should have done the Dems a favor and conceded months ago.
3 June 2008
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staff04 (Anonymous) says…

Any supposed Clinton “supporter” who claims that they will vote for McCain over Obama is full of crap—probably a loyal follower of Operation Chaos' creator…I don't buy it for one second.

3 June 2008
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gwjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

Good job, politically savvy people! I just read the CNN article and then made my way to the LJWorld, and I was just as confused as a number of you. I definitely believe the national sources (abc, ap, cnn) are right on this one.And chic—Understood! I gave in yesterday afternoon and got the digital box, because I couldn't live without my Headline News. It's annoying, and the delay bothers me a bit, but it's worth it to me to see all of my stations.
3 June 2008
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Esq2eB (Anonymous) says…

McCAIN '08!!!
3 June 2008
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cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says…

There are many rumors floating around about a videotape in Karl Rove's possession that purports to have both of the Obamas engaging in talk that, according to the rumors, will sink his nomination. The further rumors are that the Obama people have a copy of it too and want it leaked to the media as soon as they can after he has secured the nomination so that damage control can be immediately undertaken, while the Republicans want to hold off and use it as an October Surprise. Conversely, the Clinton people, who purportedly don't have it but are familiar with its contents, want it released ASAP so as to derail the Obama nomination before it's secured. It's all rumor, but allegedly comes from very high-placed sources. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, it's a hoot that while all this is going on Fox News is, at present, the only available Sunflower cable channel until people get whatever box they need to get all the channels. This must really be hell for some of the posters on this site, although I suppose that there may be some real-time internet sources available for them to view.
3 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

cato..we have the box.We are saying they did something at 11 last night that has taken out channels that we were able to get during the day yesterday.I pay for the movie tier, but most of those are messed up too.
3 June 2008
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JoRight (Anonymous) says…

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix…
3 June 2008
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road_Runner (Anonymous) says…

I've about given up ever figuring out the Sunflower channels. The moment I have them finally memorized, they get changed again to something completely different…many remotes have been lost (broken) to this cause.Back to the article. LJWorld needs to add the word NOT to the headline.
3 June 2008
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Bubarubu (Anonymous) says…

FWIW, all of my news channels are working now, although CNN and the Weather Channel weren't earlier. More importantly, Clinton is setting herself up to look really silly when Obama gets enough superdelegates tonight or tomorrow. MSNBC says (as of twelve seconds ago) that he needs 34 more delegates. He'll need 15-18 after SD and MT, and as of yesterday, there were 34 superdelegates waiting to publicly commit. Since she's denying the report that she'll concede tonight, she'll wait until tomorrow as one last smack at the Obama campaign. Best case scenario, she does some low-profile work for Obama just prior to the convention, works hard in the Senate during the general, and lets Bill off of his leash to work for Obama after August.
3 June 2008
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Grith_Knethir (Anonymous) says…

The CNN's and MSNBC's are just going to burst if they can't get the boy they've been campaigning so hard for, for so long–to wrap up and secure the nomination.I for the first time agree with Bill, who said the media has “rigged” this entire process. It's absolutely true.The liberal media wants the most liberal president they can get, along with of course, every other way-to-the-left extremist liberal.

3 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Thanks bu.My news section is also now up.woo hoo!The TCM.IFC,etc is still missing in action.Obiwan, save us, you're our only hope!
3 June 2008
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Multidisciplinary (Anonymous) says…

Oh how freaky..Obiwan was listening.The movie tier just came on LOL.
3 June 2008
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chic (Anonymous) says…

Well, according to my son - at home - MOST of the channels are back… I hope this is REALLY resolved.
3 June 2008
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pepper_bar (Anonymous) says…

This story is a complete abortion at this point. LJW really needs to just remove it.
3 June 2008
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Drumtaculor (Bradley Klamm) says…

“Raider (Anonymous) says:If she concedes, then McCain just got my vote. I can't vote for Obama. He's too inexperienced, and quite frankly I think he would be an awful POTUS. I was so hoping that Hillary would make a comeback and with the nomination.”From Rolling Stone Magazine article, titled “The Queen of Pork”:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20306341/the_queen_of_pork”But Hillary's most brazen earmark this presidential-election season had nothing to do with defense. It had to do, oddly enough, with rock music. Back in June 2007, Hillary attempted to write a $1 million earmark for a museum commemorating the Woodstock festival in Bethel, New York. Not that anyone should have anything against Woodstock, but it seems weird to ask taxpayers to pay for it - especially when the project is principally funded by one of America's richest men, a media mogul named Alan Gerry.Listed as number 297 on the annual Forbes list of wealthy Americans, Gerry reportedly has a net worth of $1.6 billion. Beyond the fact that he hardly needs the money, there is this to consider: On June 30th of last year, exactly three days after the earmark was officially inserted into an appropriations bill, Gerry and his wife both made maximum donations to Hillary's presidential campaign, totaling $9,200.”One million for barely a ten grand return? Then you'll love this one:”Nor is Hillary shy about funneling earmarks to big donors who don't even need the money. Real estate developer Robert Congel, another Hillary earmark recipient who has graced the Forbes list, scored $10 million in pork courtesy of Hillary for use in developing, of all things, a megamall. Why the hell we need to pay taxes to help billionaires build luxury shopping malls is a troubling enough question, without even considering the $26,700 that Congel and his wife have contributed to Hillary over the years. That's all it costs to get $10 million out of a U.S. senator? Where are the pitchforks?”Here's my favorite excerpt:”As is often the case with defense earmarks, some of Hillary's pork spending is taken out of the Army's Operation and Maintenance budget, which is supposed to be used for troop-support initiatives like body armor. In simple terms, Hillary's rampant marauding of the defense budget takes money away from troops in the field. Soldiers wind up short on equipment, and Clinton winds up with hefty campaign contributions and free flights on private jets. Carrying charges, my boy, carrying charges!”
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Drumtaculor (Bradley Klamm) says…

And McCain is any better? I think not:”McCain, meanwhile, has run a finger-wagging, holier-than-thou campaign. He insists he doesn't request any earmarks, even though he has: In 2003, he doled out $14.3 million to Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. He also insists that he is “the only one the special interests don't give any money to,” even though he has lapped the field when it comes to surrounding himself with lobbyists. Public Citizen, the nonprofit watchdog group, has identified sixty-six current or former lobbyists who are either major fundraisers or bundlers for McCain, a number that far exceeds either Clinton or Obama.Like Hillary, McCain has not been shy about doing favors for his lobbyist friends while milking their companies for campaign contributions. As chair of the Senate Commerce Committee, McCain obliged several firms, including Paxson Communications and Glencairn, by proposing an amendment that would have enabled them to own multiple TV stations in the same market. Though the measure was never adopted, Paxson rewarded McCain with a flight on its private jet, and a Glencairn executive made donations to McCain's campaign a month after he held the hearing.”Since the sheeple are too busy sucking at the teat of media hype to take any of the third-party candidates seriously… Obama is the lesser of 3 evils.–Yet, unless we start publicly financed campaigns, you're going to see a good deal of this:”barack obama (d) Top Contributors Goldman Sachs $544,481 University of California $371,266 Ubs Ag $363,257 JPMorgan Chase & Co $353,808 Citigroup Inc $331,946 National Amusements Inc $313,511 Lehman Brothers $312,597 Google Inc $293,974 Harvard University $292,441 Sidley Austin LLP $287,795 Skadden, Arps et al $266,413 Morgan Stanley $253,576 Jones Day $245,875 Time Warner $245,828 Exelon Corp $229,861 Wilmerhale Llp $215,231 University of Chicago $208,007 Latham & Watkins $199,966 Microsoft Corp $196,093 Kirkland & Ellis $190,976”How many pounds, nay TONS, of rice could we have fed starving children with that amount of money? Instead it goes to screen-printed bumper stickers and corrugated yard signs. Millions spent on air-fare and TV commercials. And HE's the one trying to make a difference, right?
3 June 2008
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

A little about Barack Hussein Obama's mommahttp://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mother.asp
3 June 2008
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

It has been extremely entertaining to see political correctness and the liberal media, who helped elect Bill in 92 and 96 come back and bite Hillary in the rear in 08. You reap what you sow.BTW: You should all get dish, it is way better than cable.

3 June 2008
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meggers (Anonymous) says…

BigPrune,Obama never called his mother 'conservative' , as the spam you referenced indicates. The piece is clearly just another right wing hit job- heavy on the pejorative and devoid of any real objectivity. I suspect snopes will discredit much of it once they have completed their research. Not that you'd want to let facts get in your way, of course….
3 June 2008
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

Written by William J. Bennett today:”And thus the Democratic party is about to nominate a far left candidate in the tradition of George McGovern, albeit without McGovern's military and political record. The Democratic party is about to nominate a far-left candidate in the tradition of Michael Dukakis, albeit without Dukakis's executive experience as governor. The Democratic party is about to nominate a far left candidate in the tradition of John Kerry, albeit without Kerry's record of years of service in the Senate. The Democratic party is about to nominate an unvetted candidate in the tradition of Jimmy Carter, albeit without Jimmy Carter's religious integrity as he spoke about it in 1976. Questions about all these attributes (from foreign policy expertise to executive experience to senatorial experience to judgment about foreign leaders to the instructors he has had in his cultural values) surround Barack Obama. And the Democratic party has chosen him.06/03 07:22 AM”http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjY1ZWRhODA2NTViOTJhN2YyMDFjOWI3M2RkZjJjZmM=
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trinity (Anonymous) says…

i can't believe anybody would or could be serious about voting for mccain. is that the best the repubs had to offer? and as for hillary-screeching shrew. i only can hope this headline is accurate.and there are plenty of things about obama i'm leery of; but seems he's the least of the evils, at this point. *sigh* what to do.
3 June 2008
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motherof4 (Anonymous) says…

I am a rep but will vote for Obama! McCain is too old!
3 June 2008
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Grith_Knethir (Anonymous) says…

Good link to Bennett. Exactly in line with my only words now:Let the questions begin. He will stutter and stammer and look down alot from here on out. The only hurdle still is the leftists media, who demand that he be the next president, are going to ramp up their campaign efforts exponentially for Barack Hussein Obama.
3 June 2008
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

Hillarious that you think Obama is the least evil when so little is know about him. What little has been revealed by the media shows he has some majory character flaws, is extremely naive regarding foriegn policy.Oh, but he said he was going to bring change; therefore I should believe his words, even though he has almost no experience, and has proven he will consistently bend the truth when it suits him (which camp did your great uncle liberate?), and do the politically expediate thing (just left his church of 20 years), in order to get elected. He is no different from any other politician, except he is extremely liberal and has no experience.
3 June 2008
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…

trinity - I agree. I was *almost* hoping Hillary would be the candidate just so I would be forced to vote for McSame.
3 June 2008
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

It is time to start asking Obama the tough questions. Whenever he is asked a tough questions he avoids it claiming it is a ploy by the opposition and is given a pass by the media.

3 June 2008
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

logicsound….So by your logic it is better to vote for a monkey you agree with than someone qualified you disagree with?I think if nothing else, the last 7 years have proven you shouldn't vote for a moron just b/c he holds similar political views as you.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Satirical (Anonymous) says:logicsound:.So by your logic it is better to vote for a monkey you agree with than someone qualified you disagree with?_______________________________________________Wow.An accomplished public servant has just been equated with a primate.Very, very telling of Satirical's personal character and integrity…Agnostickagnostick@excite.com”First it was the Muslim smears, then it was the flag pin, then the 'refusal' to say the Pledge of Allegiance, then the parsing of Michelle Obama. And now it's Obama's crazy, America-hating pastor.”Again, 'Obama is anti-American' will be *the* meme. Mark my words.”http://donklephant.com/2008/03/16/obamas-church-answers-medias-portrayal-of-wright/
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

And I need to know this why?
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

I read an article/interview of Obama when he first ran for Illinois legislature. Obama ran on the issue of “change” back then. Some things never change.Regarding his experience as a Senator, he has none. He has been a candidate for president since the day he walked into the senate; he has been present for very few votes; he has not sponsored a single bill, nor has he chaired a committee or lead an investigation.
3 June 2008
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Grith_Knethir (Anonymous) says…

Barack Hussein Obama could get up there and use “hope” and “change” in his debates and speeches in my example below and this new breed of huffington/dailykos/moveon far-left Hillary and Bush hating kooks will still trip over one another to cast their vote for Barack Hussein Obama. Here is my example of what will get the afore mentioned kooks to vote for him:”I've been talking about change; about hope. What I want to tell you tonight is I hope I can change some things but can not promise. If there is a change, I hope it is good change. I can only try to change things with a feeling of hope that they will work.” This will have the loons worked up into an orgy of fantastical idealism–-swooning and screaming “More, more, more…… O-B-A-M-A!!” ….over and over and over. And of course, as I've so correctly stated, the left wing media, the other wing of the Democratic Party who does their bidding and sets their policies and agendas, will be campaigning like never before to insure he is elected.
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

meggers….One factual info Mr. Barack Hussein Obama related was that his grandma built airplanes in Leavenworth during WWII. Funny thing, since they never build airplanes in Leavenworth, Kansas during WWII.Also, when Obama was in school, he stated he was a Muslim. I thought he was a Christian?
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

So here is the real deal. On election day, votes will be cast some for the democrats some for the republicans. At the end of the day, they will count all the votes and the side that has the most gets to call the shots for a few years. Now if things go your way, you will be on the right side of the fence, if they dont go your way, you will have something to complain about for a few years.Either way its a win win deal for everyone involved. Our tax dollars will support all political figures no matter if they are senators or presidents. And they will get pay increases every year.This brings me to my final point of having no point at all other than to say if you win you win and if you loose you still have something to complain about. 10-4 over and out
3 June 2008
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

Does anyone know what time married with children comes on?

3 June 2008
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srj (Anonymous) says…

Obama's people can say they clinched all the way to the covention. With the count close, and the mess from Michigan and Florida, the lead is not error proof. One big problem from his past, one really bad quote, (remember George Allen)? and he can blow it. Obama or McCain? Higher taxes or more years in Iraq? Pick you poison.
3 June 2008
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

As soon as I wrote a logic equivalent to logicsound04's post I realized there would be some crazy liberal who would misconstrue what I wrote into calling Obama a monkey, which is clearly not what I wrote. I am not surprised it was Agnostick. But of course misconstruing is really all that most crazy liberals are capable of since they cannot counter a rational argument. You do a fantastic job of increasing the political discourse, congratulations on your Typical Liberal Blogger of the Day Award.
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

Politicaly speaking on politics I can say that my many years of political science studies have brought me to see that when one applies the effect of gravity on an already sinking ship, the waves become very big on the other side of the lake.A possible fall out from the generationX voters could be the gray area of acceptance. Furthermore, if one looks at the turning political tide, you will see a change in the placement of the moon. This is gravatational to the eb and flow of politics
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

I have to say, this stinks to High Heaven. Would it really kill anybody to wait another 48 hours or so, to let the voters in South Dakota and Montana cast their votes?If these two states have their elections tomorrow, and the votes lean heavily towards Clinton, the Associated Press will have some serious, serious credibility issues to deal with.This is wrong…Agnostickagnostick@excite.com
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

Umm…Agnostick, I think the elections are today … if I am not mistaken.
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

BTW: Agnostick, did you see the award you won earlier today (see my earlier post).
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

The elections are today????I dont even know who is running against mccain yet
3 June 2008
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meggers (Anonymous) says…

BigPrune,Considering his grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line at Boeing in Wichita and Obama's mother was born at Fort Leavenworth, it's easy to see how such a mistake could occur in a speech. It's certainly better than a man applying to be Commander In Chief confusing the two dominant warring factions during a present war- particularly one he claims to know how to win. And are you seriously trying to peg Obama with a religion he was exposed to when he was seven or eight years-old, even though he has never practiced that religion since? That's completely and utterly absurd.

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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

Sorry… yes, the elections are *today*. Still, I remain taken aback that the AP is pushing things, the way they are, especially if the polls are still open.Satirical, feel free to give out all the imaginary awards you like… inviting your imaginary friends to your imaginary awards ceremonies, in your little imaginary world.Why would I even give a rip about you?I can't imagine! LOL!!—Ag
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Confrontation (Anonymous) says…

It's always interesting to see racists attempt to disguise their true beliefs. Many people don't like Obama because he's black, but they disguise it as a dislike of something other than his color. Cowards. No, I'm not claiming that all anti-Obama people feel this way. I'm guessing it's close to 50%, but that's just my opinion and completely unofficial statistic.
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

It's my Un-Birthday today. Is it your Un-Birthday today too?Agnostick, I think you are just upset b/c you cannot refute a logical argument. That is ok, you can have another Liberal Blogger of the Day Awards to make you feel better.Do you not realize that the media has been pulling for Obama ever since Iowa? If not, you are really late to the game.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

And we all know about opinions, don't we?
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

“Still, I remain taken aback that the AP is pushing things, the way they are, especially if the polls are still open.”If you always remember that the corporate media will ALWAYS do all that it can to maximize its advertising dollars, then it become quite easy to see what is going on. The media wants a close contest. According to the most accurate and up to date polling information I have seen (http://electoral-vote.com/) Hillary is far superior to Obama in the match up with McCain. Thus, the spectacle we have witnessed all year with the corporate media pumping up Obama, tearing down McCain and leaving the sad & lowly McCain alone until his opponent is picked. In this manner the mostly right wing controlled media have engineered the selection of the weaker of the two Democratic choices.
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

correction: tearing down Hillary
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

scott…”In this manner the mostly right wing controlled media have engineered the selection of the weaker of the two Democratic choices”That is the funniest thing I have heard all day. Yeah, it isn't that the liberal media is in love with Obama and believes electing an African American would end the hundreds of years of bitter relations, it is really the right wing media. ROTFL.If the conservatives really had a choice they would clearly choose Hillary since she is hated by so many people.
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deskboy04 (Anonymous) says…

I will vote for Obama.

3 June 2008
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

Does anyone know when the flinstones comes on?
3 June 2008
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

“If the conservatives really had a choice they would clearly choose Hillary since she is hated by so many people”Not according to the polling site I provided. In an electoral college contest she mops the floor with Mcbush.
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Satirical (Anonymous) says…

scott…Your site lists expected total vote (liberals, conservatives, and moderates). You were referring to what conservatives wanted, and so was I. Your site does not disprove my statement about what conservatives would want. All your sites proves (assuming it is correct) is how people currently feel, not how they will end up voting in November. The conservatives have a lot more ammo to attack Hillary with than Obama, since Obama is new the only stuff conservatives have is what they have recently learned and his far left voting record in the senate.
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RonBurgandy (Anonymous) says…

Obama '08! Sweet.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

“budwhysir (Anonymous) says: Does anyone know when the flinstones comes on?”They're on right now.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

Reagan 2008.
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budwhysir (Anonymous) says…

man my tv is on the blink and im missing fred]\
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Finding_Uranus (Anonymous) says…

I'm afraid Obama supporters and the Democratic Party are a bit too optimistic about the election. Hope and change are wonderful ideas. How about some information first, please. I'm looking forward to the next five months and the debates. It will be interesting. Obama probably has it handled, with his handlers preparing a “Foreign Relations Book for Dummies” book as we speak. He may be OK. I tend to doubt it though. I think McCain will utterly run circles around him to the point of embarassment. Then, the media will try to soften the blow for the public, saying that Obama still came out on top with straight-forward non-answers.

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srj (Anonymous) says…

“I think McCain will utterly run circles around him to the point of embarassment.”You could be right, but he still has the “R” next to his name, and that's a killer this year. He's probally going down with the ship, that Bush ran into an iceburg.
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uhadmeatsmellthis (Anonymous) says…

It's too bad that all Democrats can do is hope Bush and republicans is what get them elected, not actual ideas and a promise to the people. I don't see anything change-wise, just one party desperately clinging to the hope of a win. McCain is going to come out with great ideas, he has worked across party lines. He will take this extreme situation and use it to his advantage. The internet won't be able to change minds in the end.
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HootyWho (Anonymous) says…

Hilary or Obama,,,doesn't make a bit of difference,,,neither are electable,, One cause he's black, the other cause she's a woman,,,,i Hope i'm wrong, but i don't think i am.I won't vote for McCain, not cause he's old, but because he's a jacka**. A working person can't afford to have 4 more years of the same ole same ole, but i believe that Hilary or Obama will at least try.
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scott3460 (Anonymous) says…

Satirical:OK, I guess you may be right, the right wingers may want to run against Hillary. Lord knows they do tend to run like lemmings in the direction their master tell them t. I was reacting to the originally quoted statement about being shocked that the AP was pushing Obama so hard & I remain of the opinion that the corporately owned media in this country have engineered the selection of the weaker of the two Democratic choices. Does not matter to me. I am voting a straight non-republican party ballot for the rest of my life in response to the lying criminals that have been in power for the last 20 years. Much like the New Deal Democrat who voted for FDR's party until the day they died, I intend to impose a very long and sustained electoral response to george w. bush & friends.
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jonas (Anonymous) says…

“These officials said the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. “Her continuing to run and attack has been, for me, a sign that's she's just pissing on the democratic candidacy, so to speak, at this point. The if I can't have it, neither can you type mentality. But I admit that I am disposed to think the worst of Mz. Clinton.
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uhadmeatsmellthis (Anonymous) says…

Interesting that the Obama fans have in one way or another repeated the Wright and Phlegler rhetoric. Interesting indeed. They approve of these particular racist comments—turn the tables I doubt it.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

from the beginning, it's all been about hillary and what she's entitled to. if obama takes her as vp, he better double security, hire food taster and ban bill from whitehouse.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

There was nothing bitter tonight about Hillary's non-concession speech.She truly was impressive.

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Godot (Anonymous) says…

I was also very impressed by the message of John McCain's speech in NO tonight. From a stylistic standpoint, I will probably send a helpful message to his campaign suggesting that McCain can the full smile.
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

Watching Obama's speech; the ferver, as he spouts falsehood after falsehood causing the crowd to cry out in ecstasy, the adulation is frightening.
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

And like Whitney Houston on a crack pipe, Godot can't bear to turn off the TV.Typical.
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cato_the_elder (Anonymous) says…

Logic, what makes you think that Senator Obama does not “see the Presidency as a means to his own ends?” Does not his entire political career reveal an extremely ambitious man with numerous Machiavellian tendencies? Regardless of the Clintons' own warts, doesn't the fact that he has been able to beat the two most politically ruthless people on this planet tell you something about him? Are you familiar with the lawsuits he filed at the beginning of his political career in Chicago in order to eliminate his primary opponents, who were long-standing, respected Chicago Democrats, on technical grounds? We will be hearing much more about this in the next few months, and if certain key people in Chicago were bitter enough to pull a Scott McClellan, it could get very interesting.Godot, you're dead-on right about the smile. Gotta can it, and can it now.
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tunahelper (Anonymous) says…

obama bin laden will NOT get elected.White America will NOT vote for a black man with a muslim name.obama bin laden is gonna LOSE!
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notajayhawk (Anonymous) says…

I apologize if someone already said these things, got home late and I'm too tired to read through the whole thread.I don't see what Obama has to gain by picking Hillary as a VP candidate (which was what all the radio talk shows were discussing all the way home). I don't think those Dems who said they wouldn't vote for Obama, for whichever reason(s), are going to change their minds just because Hillary would be VP. I don't know about you folks, but the only consideration I make as to a VP candidate is if it's someone I want to be president in 8 years. And I think everyone including Hillary knows that while she may have a shot in 2012, 2016 will be too late for her. And remember - Hillary still has an extremely high negative rating, which I can only see hurting Obama.I can also only see one possible reason why Hillary would take the VP slot if it were to be offered. It is after all pretty much a nothing job; Hillary would try to make it sound like more (as she did with her first lady 'experience'), but she has the potential for getting more power, real power, in the Senate. The only reason I can see her taking the spot on the ticket would if she thought it would *hurt* Obama's chances, so she'd have a better chance of running again in 2012.And I think Obama's smart enough to know both of these things.
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beobachter (Anonymous) says…

godot, it's obvious you can't recognize falsehoods. Anyone who can support current administration and all the lies they've told and been caught out on definitely can't see lies. Obama at least can't come up with new ideas and ways to make country better is a real step up from bush administration.
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antney (Anonymous) says…

Tunahelper said “White America will NOT vote for a black man with a muslim name.”Obama's gotten this far in White America. He did it in White Kansas and he will be the next President of the united States. The winds of change is coming…

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purplesage (Anonymous) says…

The senator from NY says she is “making no decisions tonight.” Sounds to me as if there is no decision for her to make.
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maxcrabb (Anonymous) says…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama#U….
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badger (Anonymous) says…

I'm glad he won.I cannot abide that woman.Aside from the fact that she ran her campaign eleven million dollars into debt to herself (how responsible would she be with my tax dollars?), is being sued for nonpayment by vendors who put on fundraising functions for her (way to support small business!), counts herself as 'winning' the popular vote (but only if you don't count the caucus states), refused to release her tax returns when asked repeatedly (where DID that eleven million come from?), and has still never answered all the questions about her involvement in Whitewater, there's the fact that when told in 1994 that her proposed healthcare plan would bankrupt thousands of small and independently-owned businesses that couldn't afford to provide the mandated insurance to their employees, she responded with the flippant dismissal that she 'wasn't responsible for every undercapitalized business in this country.'Yeah, it's past time to put a woman in the White House. But for the love of a thousand gods, not that one.
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Daytrader23 (Anonymous) says…

finally!!!For the first time in 8 years I can hold my head up high and say I am proud to be American. Of course that can change in McSame gets elected.
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BigPrune (Anonymous) says…

McCain has asked Hillary to be his vice president :)Daytrader, you sound just like Obama's wife. Have you picked up your brownshirt yet?
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LHS76 (Anonymous) says…

Watch this Obama fans! http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.a…
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bd (Anonymous) says…

Osama will not beat McCain!
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bondmen (Anonymous) says…

Obama praised Wright, criticized black churches on homosexualityhttp://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200805/CUL20080529a.htmlObama's Mythical Intelligencehttp://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.htmlMichelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan Take On Whiteyhttp://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/02/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhan-take-on-whitey/

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EXks (Anonymous) says…

Anyone notice that John McCain bears a striking resemblance to Grandpa Munster??????????
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Agnostick (Anonymous) says…

bondmen (and anyone else foolish enough to buy into bondmen's claptrap):The so-called “Whitey” tape has been the pinnacle of Internet rumor and speculation for more than 72 hours. Certain “people” (using that term loosely) have been generating a lot of empty bandwidth about this.Larry Johnson has been challenged, repeatedly, by perhaps hundreds of people: “You claim there's a tape? Then show it to us!”No tape has been produced yet-and I think there's a very good chance that no tape exists. Just like John Kerry's “intern problem” in 2004 didn't exist, but was cooked up by Murdoch, Ailes and Drudge:http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9221/Here's a clip of Faux News lapdog Roger Stone trying to make references to the tape on Geraldo Rivera's show (that name right there, by itself, is a good measure of “credibility”): I've transcribed the first paragraph of Stone's hard-hitting, clear, concise, succinct, unconditional, no-dbout-about-it answer:**********************************************************”Well, uh, there's a buzz: uuhh, which I believe now to be credible, that, some indelible public record exists of public remarks that Michelle Obama allegedly made, uh, which are, uh, outrageous at-at worst, but-a-a-at best, but: uuhh: could be termed 'racist' including some, uh: uuhhh, reference to white people as “whiteys,” allegedly. Uuuhh, and there's been a race here, Geraldo, you know-“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frACCoVvOi8**********************************************************Uh-huh. No doubt about it.I'll stick my neck out and call “red herring” on this one.And once more: I challenge Larry Johnson, or anyone else, to serve up such a tape: if it exists.Your move, bondmen.Agnostickagnostick@excite.comhttp://www.uscentrist.orghttp://www.americanplan.org
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sfjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

What are all you bigots going to do when Obama is president? It is so fun to watch the rednecks squirm at the thought of an African American in the white house. Whats next? Same sex marriage! Watch the rednecks heads explode!
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Godot (Anonymous) says…

“EXks (Anonymous) says: Anyone notice that John McCain bears a striking resemblance to Grandpa Munster??????????”He reminds me of Chancellor Palpatine