Archive for Monday, January 14, 2008
The paperwork target
County’s application process cumbersome
Stephen Dickey, of Lawrence, fires a round out of his Browning .22 handgun Wednesday Jan. 9, 2008 at the Lawrence Parks and Recreation Department’s Community Building, 115 W. 11th St.
January 14, 2008
Editor’s note: This is the third in an occasional series of stories detailing the process of obtaining a Kansas concealed carry permit. Staff reporter Chad Lawhorn is going through the process to better explain it.
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Concealed carry
- State issues 10,000 permits (01-14-08)
- Community Building houses firing range (01-14-08)
- Transcript of chat about concealed carry with Journal-World reporter Chad Lawhorn (08-06-07)
- In the line of fire (08-05-07)
- Transcript of chat about getting a concealed carry gun permit with Asst. Atty. Gen. C.W. Klebe. (07-02-07)
This has been the hardest part.
Buying a handgun was odd, but it wasn’t particularly hard. Taking a shooting test to qualify for a concealed handgun permit was a bit nerve-wracking, but at the end of the day it wasn’t anything to lose sleep over.
But the paperwork — it’s always the paperwork that gets you.
After passing the shooting and safety test in early August, I had taken a major step in the process of obtaining a Kansas permit allowing me to carry a concealed handgun. All I had to do was take my certificate to the Douglas County Sheriff’s office, improve the state’s finances by paying the $150 in fees, and then wait for the Attorney General’s office to do the necessary background checks on me.
What I didn’t know was that I still had one more target to hit. It was a target of time. The Douglas County Sheriff’s office only accepts concealed carry applications from 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. on Mondays.
Evidently, in Douglas County, the early bird gets the gun.
Not that 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. is an ungodly time, but it is a time period that puts a premium on planning. That’s because turning in your application involves a little more than just dropping by the Sheriff’s office.
First of all, you don’t go to the Sheriff’s office. You go to the Douglas County Jail. When you get there, you need to have more than your application form — which is a list of questions about whether you’ve been convicted of certain crimes, had certain mental health problems and inquires into your occupation and past. You also need a 2-inch by 2-inch photo of yourself, your certificate showing you’ve passed the state-mandated concealed carry class, and $150 in fees.
In some ways, the money is one of the trickier parts of the equation. State law requires that the fee be paid either by money order or cashier’s check. And don’t think one check will suffice. One must be for $110 to the Office of the Attorney General, and another must be $40 to the Sheriff’s office.
So, deciding at the last-minute on a Monday morning that you’re going to turn in your application can make for a hectic Monday. But it can be done. It was done on Dec. 31. That’s when I made my visit to the Douglas County Jail.
I had intended to do it much earlier. I could have applied any time after mid-August, when I received the certificate in the mail proving that I had passed the necessary course. But for a few weeks, I really wasn’t that interested. I just wanted to take a break. I had just had a photo of myself pointing a handgun on the front page of the Journal-World. In case you’re wondering, that’s a real conversation starter. Lots of folks look at you a little differently after that.
Meanwhile, my wife’s patience ran a little thin. (And that’s so unusual.) In short, we’ve agreed that this process is a topic we don’t talk about.
But I didn’t intend on taking this long of a break. Many times I simply got my Monday morning started and remembered too late in the day to do anything about it. I thought about asking my wife to remind me, but then I decided I liked my warm bed better than a hard couch.
One time I printed out the application forms — available at the attorney general’s Web site — several days in advance. I was going to get this done. Then, of course, I lost the forms on my desk. Other days there were kids to take to baby-sitters, meetings to attend at work, and all the other usual stuff that goes on from 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. on a Monday.
When I finally did get to the jail, it was a pleasant process. A sergeant takes your forms, takes your money and very professionally takes your fingerprints. It took about 15 minutes.
For me, the fact that it had taken this long to get my application turned in wasn’t any big deal. But the limited hours of the Douglas County Sheriff’s office have drawn concerns from others.
“There have been a number of people who have called us about that,” said Chuck Sexson, director of the concealed carry program in the Kansas Attorney General’s office.
He said his office tries to encourage sheriff’s offices to keep the most convenient hours possible, but he said state law leaves that decision up to each individual sheriff.
Douglas County’s hours are unique among area counties. Shawnee, Johnson and Wyandotte counties all accept applications during the bulk of every weekday. Sexson said that’s how he believed it worked for most sheriff’s departments across the state.
Lt. Kari Wempe, a spokeswoman with the Douglas County Sheriff’s Office, said the Douglas County hours simply were a result of the department trying to add a new responsibility onto its staff without adding new personnel. The same sergeant generally handles all the applications, and they don’t want him tied to his desk all day.
“We thought this would be one of the better times,” Wempe said. “It gives people the ability to come in before work, if they need to.”
Wempe said the hours were not a sign that the department had anything against the law.
“It has absolutely nothing to do with that,” Wempe said. “It is the law, and this is just how we’re managing the extra workload.”
And who knows — Wempe didn’t say this — but maybe it is just an extra test. If you can’t figure out how to get to the Douglas County Jail on a Monday morning with a few documents, maybe you shouldn’t be carrying a gun around.
Yeah, I’m not sure what that says about me either.
14 January 2008 at 6:31 a.m.
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andrew55 (Anonymous) says…
I recently obtained a permit to carry. The process was not that complicated in this State. The fees are comparable. I exercise my 2nd amendment rights daily…just like VISA…
14 January 2008 at 6:50 a.m.
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northtown (Anonymous) says…
I also have a permit to carry,and did not find it that difficuft to obtain.
But own land in another county and obtained permit there,just because i did not want douglas co. to gain anything from me!!!! Rather pay a poor county than the you the so called wealthy!!!Take a drive.look at the houses in this county!
14 January 2008 at 7:52 a.m.
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drake (Anonymous) says…
I'm not sure who it was that fingerprinted me @ the DC jail. He was very short w/ me and acted like he had better things to do. He even said little things like “all these Rambo's getting their carry permits won't even carry them after a week or so”.
Guess he put his good face on for the reporter.
14 January 2008 at 7:54 a.m.
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ImTooOldForThis (Anonymous) says…
My my. Paranoid males with tiny penis. Do you really need to carry a concealed weapon? This is frickin Kansas you idiots. Trust me, I grew up in NYC and didnt need a gun. Just my fists if nessecary. Paraniod rednecks certianly shouldnt be carrying guns.
14 January 2008 at 8:25 a.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
…not sure why harmless, responsible citizens deserve being called paranoid, idiots with dik diks by ImFoolToadiePish fister…
14 January 2008 at 8:34 a.m.
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RonBurgandy (Anonymous) says…
Congratulations. You can fire a gun.
14 January 2008 at 8:36 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
If you're going to carry a gun you should have to wear it out in the open for all to see…
I've got no problem with carrying… it the concealled part that doesn't sit right with me…
14 January 2008 at 8:37 a.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
Oh, yeah…also used the term rednecks. Mean much?~)
NEW York CITY!…
Your your towering arrogance and ignorance should fall, little miss zero grounds.
14 January 2008 at 8:37 a.m.
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farmgal (Anonymous) says…
ImTooOldForThis, not every one is a paranoid redneck. Your ignorance on the subject is quite obvious.
14 January 2008 at 8:40 a.m.
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DavidR (Anonymous) says…
Ahh, they do not dissapoint. It was just a matter of time that someone had to make a comment about other people's penis. I guess ImTooOldForThis has penis envy.
If he/she doesn't like guns, don't get one! And perhaps he/she should go right back to good old, safe NYC!
14 January 2008 at 8:42 a.m.
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50YearResident (Anonymous) says…
Stuckinabubble, What do you think would happen if a couple of bikers walked into McDonalds with six guns strapped to their belts? How long would it take you to run out as fast as you could?
14 January 2008 at 8:43 a.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
stuck,
I'm sure if you carefully considered the ramifications of exposed carry, you'd realize that's a bad idea.
The person carrying would be exposing themselves to attack, placing a gun within sight and reach of anyone in their vicinity, cause stress to same, etc.
Is there a reason it doesn't sit right with you?
14 January 2008 at 8:43 a.m.
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…
They say that people buy big guns to make up for their penis. I bought a .38 snubnose.
14 January 2008 at 8:44 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
fu7il3
I have a pea shooter and wear it strapped to my hip…
14 January 2008 at 8:52 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
50YearResidue
I've got no problem with bikers… Do you?
JJE007
Maybe you need to carefully reconsider… Do you really think a person who is showing that they have a gun is at greater risk of attack? I don’t think so…
And it doesn't sit right with me because I'd rather know who around me is armed…
14 January 2008 at 8:52 a.m.
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…
“fu7il3
I have a pea shooter and wear it strapped to my hip…”
Which you carry exposed, of course.
14 January 2008 at 8:55 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Watch out ImTooOldFotThis I suggested that it was cowardly once too, and got dog piled. Only I said if you want to carry it let me see it on your belt holster. Be a real cowboy. Why go to the gym when can just hide a gun in one of your fat rolls.
JJE007 read some stats. Some harmless people become deadly in the right situation with the right hardware.
I haver fired shotguns and 22s. Even those guns change your psyche once you fire them.
14 January 2008 at 8:57 a.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
Yes, I really think so. That's an easy call for me. The baddest of the bad guys are probably…well…pretty bad. The dumbest of the dumb are pretty dumb. The most foolish of the foolish are pretty foolish. The most arrogant of the arrogant are pretty arrogant. The drunkest of the drunk are pretty drunk. I wouldn't want their attention.
Why do you want to know who's carrying? Would you run away? Would you exhibit your disgust? Would you point and laugh?~)
14 January 2008 at 8:58 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
D@mn that didn't take long. I should of hit enter sooner.
14 January 2008 at 8:59 a.m.
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…
If a gun is changing your psyche, you are nuts and shouldn't be allowed near a gun to begin with.
14 January 2008 at 9 a.m.
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DonQuipunch (Anonymous) says…
Who the @#$#@ was working as RSO that night they took that picture?!
I don't think George is going to be happy about this.
14 January 2008 at 9:01 a.m.
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…
“Would you point and laugh?”
Depends on what kind of gun they are carrying.
http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/shoot…
14 January 2008 at 9:03 a.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
playoverhistory,
Are you saying that citizens with concealed carry permits are dangerous to the general public? I'd like to see those stats.
Are you saying that you are more dangerous now that you've fired a .22?
Your talk of “cowboys” is foolishly dismissive and rude.
14 January 2008 at 9:04 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
BS and I have not fired one in over 20 years.
14 January 2008 at 9:05 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
JJE007
Jump to false conclusions much? I'm guessing, yes… all the time…
I don't fear guns… guns don't disgust me (I own several) and I take guns seriously…
I want to know who's carrying because if something should happen that leads to the use of a gun I will be better prepared to defend myself if I know who has guns…
And the first part of you post is simply nonsensical…
14 January 2008 at 9:06 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
GOD complex of a doctor and the mentality of someone who carries a gun around is not all that different.
14 January 2008 at 9:07 a.m.
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…
Why are you whiners still complaining about concealed carry? We have had it for a year now. Can anyone name one instance where it has caused a problem?
I can name a bunch of instances where people were shot in “no gun” zones.
14 January 2008 at 9:07 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
JJE007 have you fired a gun?
14 January 2008 at 9:08 a.m.
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…
There again, if a doctor feels he is a god, he is nuts and shouldn't be allowed near a patient.
14 January 2008 at 9:12 a.m.
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Wilbur_Nether (Anonymous) says…
northtown wrote “Rather pay a poor county than the you the so called wealthy!”
Could someone diagram that sentence for me, please?
14 January 2008 at 9:12 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Whats next Fu7il3 are we going to argue the chicken or the egg? Environment or nurture, save it for the other side. You know what I mean.
14 January 2008 at 9:16 a.m.
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50YearResident (Anonymous) says…
Stuckinthemiddle, It has always been and still is legal to carry an open handgun in Kansas. I suggest you wear yours openly next time you go downtown or shopping at the mall. Watch carefully for reactions of people around you. See if it might change your views on open carry.
14 January 2008 at 9:16 a.m.
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fu7il3 (Anonymous) says…
Hey, I'm just saying there's people I wouldn't trust pushing a shopping cart near me. That doesn't mean I think everyone ought to have to carry their groceries in the arms.
14 January 2008 at 9:16 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Hey you got your way JJ. Over the wisdom of men like Wyatt Erpp. Lets visit in ten years then talk stats. OK
14 January 2008 at 9:20 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
People conceal their guns anyway. No one wants the extra attention of a pistol sticking out of their waist. There are a few of you who have absolutely no sense, and to those I say, I'm carrying my gun anyway, its legal, and you cant stop me! Oh, but I'm sure I'm doing something wrong though, right? Or you at least want to know I have a gun in case “anything should happen”..Whatcha gonna do, take it from me?
14 January 2008 at 9:23 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
50YearResident
I don't feel any need to carrying a gun any way, anywhere, but I have a pretty good idea of what the reaction would be should someone do as you've suggested… It doesn't change my view… I think those reactions would be far better than people being unmindful of the fact that people around them are concealing guns… Also, if guns were worn in the open after a while people would get use to it…
14 January 2008 at 9:24 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
No doubt fu7. The Tsunami of ignorance has been building for some time. Skill with machinery is suspect.
14 January 2008 at 9:27 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
local_guy
Depending on what is happening I'd do different things…
If you are shooting innocent people I might very well take it from you…
14 January 2008 at 9:28 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
Yes, I'm going to go buy a handgun in my name, get it registered for conceal carry, and then go on a shooting spree of innocent people..you make a lot of sense! and, no, you wouldnt take it from me! that was funny though..
14 January 2008 at 9:29 a.m.
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bmboyer (Anonymous) says…
If they pass concealed carry there wil be blood running in the streets an people being shot over parking places!!!
uh what? it passed a year ago? never mind:(
14 January 2008 at 9:30 a.m.
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bondmen (Anonymous) says…
Self-defense at home using a firearm against an intruder is a very common event http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseb…
and almost always results in a safe outcome for the defender and justice for the invader perpetrator. Concealed carry is society recognizing law abiding citizens aren't only attacked at home but to and from their car or walking on the street and even in 'no guns allowed' workplaces and schools. Our police and sheriffs do what they can with limited resources and manpower, meaning they can't always be where they're immediately needed by taxpayers. If you have the foresight to obtain a CC permit then by all means use it and keep your safety on you when you leave home - for your protection and those around you who haven't planned ahead!
Scoffers please note: even Armed Citizens Calling 911 Doesn't Always Work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkS8mdbml…
14 January 2008 at 9:32 a.m.
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Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says…
“overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Hey you got your way JJ. Over the wisdom of men like Wyatt Erpp. Lets visit in ten years then talk stats. OK”
Marion writes:
You been livin' in a cave for the past few years?
The “stats” have been available for years and they do not support your dire claims of impending doom and gloom.
Do some homework before acting lilke an emotional teenaged girl and running off at the keyboard.
14 January 2008 at 9:32 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
NA NA NA boo boo stick your head in poo ppo Im tuffer than you! You guys rock!
14 January 2008 at 9:35 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
local_guy
Are you trying to say that only people who obtain guns illegally flip out and go on shooting sprees? I believe the kid at Virginia Tech legally owned his gun… and if we checked history we’d find that whether or not someone had obeyed gun laws made little difference in whether they became mass murderers…
As for taking a gun away from you, if you're the kind of person who thinks that is an impossibility then I question your judgment and think you're probably not the best person to be out walking around with a gun… concealed or out in the open…
14 January 2008 at 9:41 a.m.
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overplayedhistory (Anonymous) says…
Marion your one to talk. Ask cop what they really think. MORE guns more incidents. Records are like the bible there is no object only subject both in the writing and the interpretations.
We all know how you assemble your hard core evidence to support YOUR unavoidable conclusion.
14 January 2008 at 9:41 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
Woah, way to try and flip things around. My point being, I am most certainly not going to go out and legally purchase a handgun, go through all the hoops to get it legally registered for conceal carry, just to deliberately go on a “shooting spree of innocent people.” And yes, if, like you said, I went on a shooting spree of innocent people (which I would NEVER do,) I question YOUR judgement for thinking you would walk up to a person like that and take their gun. Good luck with that one. My point from the very beginning was the fact that, conceal carry or not, people have and will continue to conceal and carry, wether they have a permit or not. But thanks for trying to flip things around, and no, not everyone with an illegal gun goes on a shooting spree, but if they didnt buy it legally, theres a better chance of it happening, that would be what you call a “throw away.” Why, because you do a crime, and throw it away as to not get caught. (And yes I know some still get caught, I am just making a point to our friend here.)
14 January 2008 at 9:46 a.m.
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Wilbur_Nether (Anonymous) says…
Dollypawpaw wrote: “I'll never use mine [I assume DPP is still talking about a concealed weapon, here] to help a Liberal.”
Not much for Good Samaritanism, are we?
14 January 2008 at 9:58 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
You're right, and does it make any sense? Didn't think so.
14 January 2008 at 10:02 a.m.
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snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…
scene, I don't think the VA Tech guy had a concealed carry permit. Citation please?
14 January 2008 at 10:04 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
local_guy
I’m flipped nothing around… I'm not assuming that you are a mass murderer, but not knowing you I will suppose that it is possible… And I will make the same point again… if you have always followed gun laws with regards to owning and carrying it by no means excludes you from being a potential mass murderer…
And I never said I would “walk up to a person and take their gun away”… and I'm sure that if you give it a little more thought you'll realize that there are a number of different ways someone might take a gun from another person…
And of course there will always be people who conceal guns, regardless of the law… There is no doubt in my mind that some of the people who now have conceal permits use to illegally conceal guns before the new law… which of course made them criminals… whether or not they were ever caught…
14 January 2008 at 10:11 a.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
stuckinthemiddle says:
And of course there will always be people who conceal guns, regardless of the law…
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Enough said…
14 January 2008 at 10:11 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
“if you have always followed gun laws with regards to owning and carrying it by no means excludes you from being a potential mass murderer…”
and it makes you no more likely to break the law either, which is my point. I have given it thought, and I cannot see how you could “take it from me” which is what you said. I could see how law enforcement might use force to stop a situation that tragic, but, using your words, you will not “take” a weapon from anyone using it to victimize innocent people, all you would do is end up a victim. If you want to be a hero and run up on a person shooting at innocent people, be my guest, but my guess is you won't get too close!
“There is no doubt in my mind that some of the people who now have conceal permits use to illegally conceal guns before the new law… which of course made them criminals… whether or not they were ever caught…”
and since the law has passed, what are the stats as far as gun related crimes or homicides in Lawrence? If it is that big of a deal that some of us carry concealed, move to a state where they don't allow it, which are very few..I'm guessing because conceal carry is not a bad thing for legal gun owners.
14 January 2008 at 10:18 a.m.
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Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says…
You do not “register” your handgun with CCW.
I wish that you guys would know at least a little bit about what you are writing about before you post.
14 January 2008 at 10:29 a.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
local_guy
you're still not considering a quantity of possibilities of methods of me taking a gun away from you… It’s a big world out there… with lots of people that have lots of capabilities…
I'm all for people carrying guns if they think they need a gun for protection… I'd just prefer it if they would carry them in a way that everyone can see them… and I've heard no reasoned explanation for why law abiding people should need to or want to hide a gun from others…
14 January 2008 at 10:30 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
Why would you post something that ignorant, Marion? We know that you do not “register” your handgun. You go to the sheriff's office and register, yes register, yourself. If you pass all background checks and screenings, and fall under the guidelines, you may pay the money to obtain a conceal and carry permit..but i guess you would know that because you read the article like the rest of us. Sorry if some of us dont word things the way you like.
14 January 2008 at 10:32 a.m.
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local_guy (Anonymous) says…
Ok, I'm not going to argue with someone that truly feels they could “take a gun away” from someone on a violent shooting spree, as you say in your own words. We want to carry concealed because we can. Period.
14 January 2008 at 10:35 a.m.
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blue73harley (Anonymous) says…
“and I'm sure that if you give it a little more thought you'll realize that there are a number of different ways someone might take a gun from another person…”
Like, “May I please have that gun when you are through shooting everyone?” Or perhaps waiting until they have to reload? OR maybe sneaking up behind them on tippy toes? Or maybe you just watched the Matrix too much and think you can dodge hot lead? Silly rabbit.
14 January 2008 at 10:39 a.m.
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kneejerkreaction (Anonymous) says…
scenebooster (Anonymous) says…
“Yes, I'm going to go buy a handgun in my name, get it registered for conceal carry, and then go on a shooting spree of innocent people..you make a lot of sense! ”
This is exactly what happened at Virginia Tech. - sceneboo.
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No, that is NOT what happened. The V Tech guy didn't bother to get a concealed carry permit.
And for those of you who don't realize it, CC is your own d**med business and no one else's. Carrying openly is only going to attract attention and probably get you car broken into by idiots in the hopes of finding something interesting inside.
CC is your private business. The only other people that need to know it are the ones intending to do you harm.
14 January 2008 at 11:04 a.m.
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Marion Lynn (Marion Lynn) says…
Local wrote:
“Yes, I'm going to go buy a handgun in my name, get it registered for conceal carry,…” ((caps mine): please see above post by localguy)
Marion then wrote:
“You do not “register” your handgun with CCW.
I wish that you guys would know at least a little bit about what you are writing about before you post.”
localguy replied:
“local_guy (Anonymous) says…
Why would you post something that ignorant, Marion? We know that you do not “register” your handgun. You go to the sheriff's office and register, yes register, yourself.'
Marion now writes:
localguy, could you pulleeezzzeee make up your mind or should I ask, “Who is really ignorant?”
Also, localguy, if you can find the time, please get your biosolids together before wasting bandwidth with such crap.
You might break the internet.
14 January 2008 at 11:09 a.m.
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BigDog (Anonymous) says…
The criminal at Virginia Tech obtained his guns legally, according to Virginia law at the time. Their legislature has since fixed the law regarding information about mental illness when attempting to purchase a handgun.
Cannot connect anything with that to people who want to obtain a concealed carry permit. Truth be known, prior to this the current law ….. one could obtain a private investigator/bounty hunter license which required less stringent background check and licensing requirements.
14 January 2008 at 11:16 a.m.
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conservativepunker (Anonymous) says…
Imtooold—I know a person that gives CCW classes. 80-85% of his students have been Senior Citizens, at least 60 years of age, bot men and women. I doubt that those people are worried about the size of the male organ, you wanna be Bowery Boy. Ya get me, see?
14 January 2008 at 12:03 p.m.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
For those who want more information on kansas's concealed carry laws see: http://www.ksag.org/content/page/id/90
For those who want to read articles and statisitics on crimes with and without such laws see:
http://www.kc3.com/ccwstats.html
14 January 2008 at 12:06 p.m.
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justthefacts (Anonymous) says…
if that last link does not work for you, try capatilizing the ccwstats
Here's one thing from that site:
“Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense”. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)
14 January 2008 at 12:15 p.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
stuckinthemiddle insists that he can take a gun away from even a crazed lunatic and that others can do it, too, (others…except for crazed lunatics?) but wants everyone to carry their guns exposed. He asks for a “reasoned argument” as to why law abiding citizens should NOT carry exposed guns while admitting that criminals will be carrying concealed. Hmmm…
He is effectively asking concerned CC citizens to trust him and carry exposed guns because he sees them as a threat to his personal safety. The only way I could BEGIN to be convinced that this one-sided trust is OK would be if stuck could promise that he's the only crazy mutant ninja turtle warrior out there that could take a gun away from a shooter…and that he has the presence of mind and evaluative skills to determine a good guy from a bad guy. -BEEP- You fail, stuck, and I am going to go ahead and “jump to” the same conclusion as many others here. Your ability to reason, with regard to CC is limited by some inscrutable factor.
Why should all humans, except criminals of course, carry exposed to help a few crazy mutant ninja turtle warriors to be a tiny bit better able to dodge the bullets of concerned CC citizens when there may be more than just one (you) crazy mutant ninja turtle warrior out there that want to take away guns and cause trouble?~)
You want nonsense? You got it!~D
14 January 2008 at 12:18 p.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
ah yes… nothing like a healthy mixture of black helicopter paranoia and guns…
14 January 2008 at 12:27 p.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
JJE007
after reading your post a couple of times I couldn't find any belief that you attribute to me to be true…
I really have no idea what you're going on about… you seem to be arguing with yourself…
14 January 2008 at 12:35 p.m.
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stuckinthemiddle (Anonymous) says…
now… a serious question…
How do people who carrying concealed guns conceal the guns in the summer time when they're wearing shorts and no jacket? I remember one guy on here a few months back saying that he had a “crotch holster” ~chuckle~ Is that for real?
14 January 2008 at 12:47 p.m.
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JJE007 (Anonymous) says…
YOU are as nutty as you think I am!~)
You didn't say that it was possible for an unarmed person to take a gun away from an armed person?