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Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 6 months ago

Amazing. So now if you have concerns about the record high deficits given to us by Obama the Unready and his fellow Democrats and try to do something about it, you're labeled an "extremist."

Meanwhile, there are about 80 House Democrats who belong to the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC). The CPC was co-founded during the early 1990s by then Rep. Bernie Sanders, the only openly socialist in Congress. CPC's information was originally hosted on the website of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). When the late Balint Vazsonyi exposed that fact, CPC's information was promptly moved to Sanders' House website. However, DSA continues to note on its website that CPC advances DSA's agenda in Congress.

DSA is part of the Socialist International, which has roots going back directly to Karl Marx. If you read the Socialist International's objectives, which include a single government for the world, it is obvious that those objectives run counter to the principles of the Constitution, which the CPC members took an oath to serve and defend.

We have a socialist caucus in the U.S. House that includes nearly have of the Democrats in that body, yet Ignatius and others label the Tea Party "extremists." Norm Ornstein, along with Thomas Mann of the Brookings Institute, wrote "It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism." Of course, like Ignatius, these two left-wing polemicists blame conservative Republicans for the extremism (conservative literally means "to hold together," while extremists work to radically transform the system). Ornstein and Mann made no mention whatsoever of the extremists in the CPC.

Robert Creamer, who is married to a CPC who openly belonged to the DSA before being elected to Congress in 1998, noted in "Stand UP Straight" that progressives (read socialists) need to make people perceive that they are part of the mainstream while simultaneously making conservatives appear out of the mainstream. Keep in mind that poll after poll has found that 40% of more of Americans consider themselves to be conservatives. In fact, one polling firm recently found the percentage of Americans who consider themselves to be conservative at the highest level in decades. These conservatives make up the mainstream in this country, and shame on Ignatius and other dishonest commentators for calling them "extremists."

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 6 months ago

Not true. I did not say all Democrats. However, there are clearly 80 or so Democrats who openly belong to the socialist caucus, i.e., CPC, in the U.S. House.

If you do not know what the socialist path is, perhaps this document will help you: http://ia700504.us.archive.org/23/items/WeAreSocialistOfTheDemocraticLeft/WASDL_text.pdf

According to the DSOC (which merged with the New American Movement in 1982 to form the DSA) document, "The old socialist dream that disinherited workers would become the vast majority of capitalist society did not come to pass. There is no single group--neither the trade unionists, nor the poor nor the minorities, nor the middle class liberals and radicals--which is sufficiently numerous and cohesive to win a democratic majority. Therefore each potential component of the democratic Left must both organize and speak for itself and enter into a coalition with other groups."

The DSOC statement was clear as to how these groups would enter into such a coalition: "The organizational focus for bringing together these disparate forces in the in the foreseeable future is, for better or worse, the Democratic Party."

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 6 months ago

Can you tell us the difference between a socialist and a progressive? DSA uses the terms interchangeably on its website. The Socialist International, of which DSA is member (along with the Sandinistas and other left-wing parties), uses the following tagline: "Progressive Politics for a Fairer World." http://www.socialistinternational.org/about.cfm

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 5 months ago

Now, if there is a difference, why does DSA use the terms interchangeably? Why does DSA characterize the Congressional Progressive Caucus as the "socialist caucus" in Congress. Why does the Socialist International use the tagline "Progressive Politics for a Fairer World"? It seems to me that, save for Bernie Sanders and a few others, those who call themselves "progressives" are afraid to admit that they are actually socialists because as Michael Harrington has written, American exceptionalism actually refers to that fact that Americans reject socialism.

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 5 months ago

You're not in charge of the Democrat Party or Republican Party, either. However, that does not prevent you from offering your opinions on them. And this is important: DSA is NOT a political party. DSA made the decision to employ the "Shachtmanite Strategy" several decades ago. Under this strategy, the DSA works within the Democrat Party instead of running its own candidates. DSA has representation in Congress in the form of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. From DSA's website:

Q: Aren't you a party that's in competition with the Democratic Party for votes and support?

No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with those movements to strengthen the party’s left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus. http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 5 months ago

The DSA does not need its own political party--it has the Democrat Party. That's what the "Shachtmanite Strategy" is all about. If the DSA had its own party, it would be in direct competition with a party that already shares its policies and goals.

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 6 months ago

I'll take that as a tacit acknowledge that you cannot address the points I made. Of course, we should expect little more from someone who openly violates the spirit of the J-W's new forum rules.

Seth Peterson 1 year, 5 months ago

He tends to project,and ignore substance.

Scott Burkhart 1 year, 6 months ago

I'm only curious if the GOP "strategists" are the same group that helped McCain and Romney to win their elections? Oh, wait, they didn't win. Well Mr. Ignatius quoted David Plough and we all know he wants to help the GOP win. I don't know how much these "strategists" get paid to lose elections for their party but I can advise the GOP on how to lose, and charge a lot less money. I love the part where Carl Rove pulls out his dry erase board and lectures anyone that will listen on how to lose. His 15 minutes are up, too.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 5 months ago

For 33 years the right wing have been subverting the GOP. Once over thrown the Right Wing retained the GOP name and proceeded to masquerade as republicans. I say it is too late for the GOP to take the party name back. Waiting more than 30 years to decide is too damn late.

What happened? The ALEC Right Wing Party philosophy has permeated the the GOP as a radical minority. The entire Kansas delegation is ALEC controlled. Indiana,Florida,Ohio,Michiagan,Missouri,Wisconsin,Colorado,Kentucky and about 10 other states have become victims of ALEC. Once the beltway GOP was overthrown it has become a state by state endeavor.

United States of ALEC – Bill Moyers http://www.democracynow.org/2012/9/27/the_united_states_of_alec_bill

ALEC – The Voice of Corporate Special Interests in State Legislatures http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/alec-the-voice-of-corporate-special-interests-state-legislatures

ALEX EXPOSED – The Koch Connection http://www.thenation.com/article/161973/alec-exposed-koch-connection

ALEC – Ghostwriting The Law for Corporate America http://www.justice.org/cps/rde/xchg/justice/hs.xsl/15044.htm

ALEC EXPOSED http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

ALEC Private Schools - Corporate Education Reformers Plot Next Steps at Secretive Meeting http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/02-9

Knowing more about the enemies to public education, the working class and our communities is important. ALEC is public enemy number one.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 5 months ago

In essence what we have is a hostile takeover of the USA government.

Seth Peterson 1 year, 5 months ago

I don't think you know what socialist means.

Kevin Groenhagen 1 year, 5 months ago

I certainly do. Perhaps you do not. Please tell us what you believe socialist means.

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