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On Indian tribe that once proposed North Lawrence casino purchases large tract along interstate

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Keith 1 year ago

I was going to say don't be idiots and oppose this again, but I see I'm too late.

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hillsandtrees 1 year ago

Native Americans don't pay taxes to the state on money made on their lands. Right?

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Topple 1 year ago

Casinos won't pay federal tax, not sure about state. This land shouldn't be considered a reservation, as they're purchasing it privately.

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patkindle 1 year ago

if they just had used the baker wetlands we would have the south trafficway

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bearded_gnome 1 year ago

referred questions ... didn't return calls. ... hmmmmmmm. there's a lot not being said there.

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otto 1 year ago

They had ground to sell, someone bought it. No need for a comment, happens every day.

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windjammer 1 year ago

Come on North Lawrence get off your high horse. That could mean jobs for those of you that can't seem to find a job. We need a closer place to go gamble and more than likely a nice restaurant. You let a Harley store get out of town a mall you wouldn"t support and now you are against a casino. You let a new junk yard in as the first thing you see in town. You also let two Juke Joints (nude bars) operate with no problem. Give us folk across the river a reason to spend our money in your neighborhood.

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frustratednks 1 year ago

Hello windjammer! It could mean jobs for anyone who can't seem to find a job. Unemployment affects all locations of this town not just North Lawrence. This north Lawrence resident for one, does have a job and I haven't been without one since 1992. Also, how does a Harley Shop and a mall failure fall squarely on our shoulders. Can you not cross "the bridge" to come spend your money over here. Or does the money made on the South side of the bridge not work over here. The new junk yard is going to be a recycling center which should make the environmentalists elated. The nude bars have been here for years. Why do they offend you? If you don't like them don't go to them. As far as my high horse is concerned its none of your business.

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frustratednks 1 year ago

Yes sir! Clearly, you have a good head on your shoulders!

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Tammy Copp-Barta 1 year ago

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Armored_One 1 year ago

Tangier outlet, while being approved by the city, was not operated by the city. That would be like blaming the city if McDonald's closed one of it's stores down. The person that owns Tangier is the one that decides what businesses are allowed to operate there and which ones aren't. Go take it up with him if you aren't happy about what goes on with his private property.

The mall closed down because ALL of Lawrence didn't bother frequenting it once the new wore off. That includes North Lawrence, where I lived for the last 18 plus years until I got fed up with the busy body nonsense and bought a house with less nosy neighbors elsewhere in the city.

And as to the Pine family, good for them. They did what they wanted to do with private property. Why didn't you buy it, or you and a group of neighbors, if it was that important to North Lawrence?

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Tammy Copp-Barta 1 year ago

Windjammer had a problem with Tanger, not me. Just wanted him/her to remember that we had TWO failed malls, not just one. I agree that it wasn't supported, but I DID support it! I went to the kitchen store AND the bookstore all the time - and am still supporting it by going to the new archery center there with my kids.

As for the Pine property - didn't know it was up for sale again .. maybe we would have had we known. And as for your leaving North Lawrence, good riddance - you probably were not a very good neighbor anyway.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

Come on back over. I too lived in all areas of town over the years, then found N. Lawrence. Love it and would NEVER go back to any other neighborhood (except maybe East Lawrence). Those that like the west side of town should just move to JoCo. Ticky tacky houses and strip malls as far as the eye can see.

I want to keep the people from other parts of town out of N. Lawrence. It's like it's own little small town and the residents would like to keep it that way.

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Tammy Copp-Barta 1 year ago

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scaramouchepart2 12 months ago

Then you would not mind a casino in your neighborhood. Good. It needs to go somewhere not on prime soil. Unless you can say yes, you shouldn't insult people who are objecting for a better reason than yours.

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bearded_gnome 1 year ago

Back then, before the multimillion-dollar Hollywood Casino at Kansas Speedway was built in Wyandotte County, the tribe was exploring a casino with a 400-room hotel, convention center and museum. Dee Ketchum, a Kansas University basketball player in the 1950s, was chief of the Delaware tribe at the time and estimated the complex would add about $50 million a year to the Lawrence economy.

---$50-million to the lawrence economy, that's in 2000-dollars, too? that sounds awfully optimistic!

casinos are not without social costs and harm.

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agitatedbacon 1 year ago

Passing Probability & Statistics made sure I'll never gamble for the rest of my life but I'll happily watch my friends throw away good money while buying a couple drinks. It could be good for North Lawrence.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

We had a crime problem because of a few, well-known career criminals. Because of the hard work of the residents and the city, all but one is now behind bars. We take care of ourselves in N. Lawrence.

Would you want a casino in your backyard? I don't want the traffic, crime, drunk drivers, etc... that will come with a casino. Can you imagine the reaction from West Lawrence residents if this was proposed in their back yard? They have a fit and it would never be allowed to be built. But sure, you guys all want us in N. Lawrence to allow anything so the rest of you have a close place to throw your money away. If you want to just give your money away, I'll give you a list of charities that would be happy to take it. Never understood idiots gambling their hard-earned money away.

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Ken Lassman 1 year ago

And would you want it next door to your home?

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Armored_One 1 year ago

In a heartbeat, and I don't gamble. A good idea is a good idea, regardless. More jobs, more money injected into the local economy. Granted, it would be better if it was on something other than Indian land since that would increase the tax base, but nothing is perfect.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

Then work to get a casino built in your back yard.

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Armored_One 1 year ago

80 acres, in town, would displace dozens, if not hundreds, of people. Would be nice if you came up with a feasible concept, perhaps.

Or maybe you would rather North Lawrence stagnate a bit further to where almost no one, including the residents, want to operate a business on that side of town. And by the by, until this year, I lived in North Lawrence since the early 90s.

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jhawkinsf 1 year ago

So, if the casino does get built, who gets the credit for all the good jobs; Dever, Brownback or Obama? But if the jobs are low wage, with no benefits, do we blame Dever, Brownback or Obama?

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Mike Ford 1 year ago

title 25 section 2719 b (1) b part II allows landless Indian tribes in Oklahoma to purchase land elsewhere like their last place of residence for trust purposes. North Lawrence was Delaware Indian land until 1868 as part of the Chief Sarcoxie area. Good for them.

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Catalano 1 year ago

Interesting:

"In a previous news story, Roger Pine said the family had been farming in the North Lawrence area since 1868."

Do you know how the Pines acquired this land?

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Carol Bowen 1 year ago

This sounds like a great proposal. It's too bad they can't use Tanger Mall too. The flooding concerns in North Lawrence are very real. The whole area is a flood plain. I was surprised that the city allowed new residential development.

Flood plains work on the "bathtub principle". The more toys you put in, the higher the water. I hope the tribe can address storm water runoff. All the ground is low. It won't be easy. I would not want the city to sacrifice North Lawrence for the sake of development. The storm water engineering probably exists. We need to make sure it is used. No variances for flood control.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

So many have no clue that the old Tanger Mall is mainly now office space and is almost completely full. Everyone talks about how it was a failure, but funny how I pass a full parking lot every day on my way to work. Outlet malls are lame, full of stuff that didn't sell at the main stores so they toss it down to the outlets. Many of them flop, just like Tanger and Riverfront mall did.

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Carol Bowen 1 year ago

Good to know. I hardly ever drive that way.

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ChuckFInster 1 year ago

Can't wait to see how long it takes the city and locals to screw the casino idea up. My money is on the city to make the first stupid move.

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Mike Ford 1 year ago

fyi. the Wyandotte Tribe of Oklahoma owns most if not all of downtown KCK around the 7th Street Casino.

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Gabe Hoffman 1 year ago

Can anyone explain how they would be able to have a casino? I'm all for it. I'm just unclear on the land issue; is it not subject to the same regulations as normal property, or, once a tribe buys land is that land then a sovereign entity.

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kernal 1 year ago

To put it simply, 00jester, the land became a reservation once the purchase by the Delaware tribe was closed.

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Carol Bowen 1 year ago

It's not a reservation unless it is recognized by fedgov as a reservation. Tribes own private land, too.

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Bob Forer 1 year ago

Tough call. The economic benefits from folks who will come to town to gamble will be more than a drop in the bucket. But there's a big downside with a casino in our backyard.

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bad_dog 1 year ago

I also have to wonder how successful it might be over the long-term. There are already several casinos in the KC metro area as well as the one north of Topeka. Unless there are a bunch of locals that can't otherwise satisfy their gambling urges, or there are other shiny things to attract customers, I'd be surprised if this was economically viable for the tribe. The Woodlands failed due to our favorite folks in Topeka and Station Casino changed hands at least once since being built.

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Bladerunner 1 year ago

Ted Boyle =idiot. Worried about traffic on a state highway...next to an interstate? Really? President of North Lawrence Improvment Association? Time to elect a progressive leader.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

He's not elected, he's a hard-working volunteer that has done so much good for our town. Do you live here? Yeah, didn't think so.

Do you think the only traffic will be from the highway? It will increase traffic in N. Lawrence, along with crime and all the other wonderful things that will come from having a casino in our backyard. How about let the people it would affect the most have the biggest say and the rest of you worry about stuff in your area?

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windjammer 1 year ago

"Idiot" Are you kidding me? Ted puts in more free time for North Lawrence in one month than 90% of Lawrence residents do in a lifetime. If it weren't for Mr Boyle the city leaders would stomp all over North Lawrence. Take a vote in North Lawrence and you will find he is well thought of for his hard work. Why does the newspaper contact Ted? Because he stands up for what he and the other SR's want. If you don't know what a Sand Rat is it is a badge of honor. Get off his case if you don't know him and what he stands for.

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average 1 year ago

The county could make a stink about it, but I'm not sure the city could. Said tracts are not currently incorporated into the city of Lawrence. If I were the tribe, I'd consider defining those tracts as an entirely separate City of Lenape post-haste, before Lawrence tries to annex. There'd be major downsides (no city water, sewer, police), but it's worth considering at least.

Do I think the eighth casino within 50 miles is an answer for anything at all for any side? Not really, but meh.

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wprop 1 year ago

attention Koback..finally a real case of voter fraud......sue and roger pine illegally voting in Dg. Co. While she sat on planning commission and he a state senator and drainage board member....millions spent on sewer line ....now they cash in...........wow

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kernal 1 year ago

That's a pretty darn cryptic comment, wilbur, not to mention border line libelous.

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somebodynew 1 year ago

Not that I am necessarily against this, but those of you dreaming of the big boost to the tax base, better do some more research on this issue.

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bad_dog 1 year ago

I'l take a Big Mac and $100 of chips, no fries...

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Ken Lassman 1 year ago

The main concern of mine is that those fields contain some of the best, well drained soils on the planet, not just in the area. It will grow anything, and to pave it over to put in a parking lot and casino is such a sad use for such wonderful soils. Would that at least part of this land be used as "incubator farms" for aspiring truck farmers and the like, maybe in conjunction with KState or Johnson County Community College, both of whom have courses that could complement such land use. There are a number of young folks who don't have access to quality farmland like this who would jump at such a chance, I'd think, and this would also be in line with goals to grow more local food, create regional food hubs, and the like. Maybe our Sustainability Coordinator employee could check into this as a possibility?

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Ken Lassman 1 year ago

What do you have against using the land for incubator farming instead of or in addition to the casino? It's the best use of the world class soils on that property and if the Sustainability Coordinator could facilitate at least some of the land being used for that, then it's time well spent and a win-win all around.

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somebodynew 1 year ago

If you are so convinced it is a good idea (it probably is), then BUY the land and do it. Leave the government out of it.

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Ken Lassman 1 year ago

It's not the government who owns the land--it's the Delaware Nation. I was just suggesting a potential alternative to a casino, and it turns out that they already had one in mind: their tribal headquarters. And as far as involving the city Sustainability Coordinator in terms of facilitating other institutional support for an incubator farm project, that would have been entirely appropriate and helpful.

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Topple 1 year ago

We'll be able to see the North Lawrence sky glowing from the tacky lights they smother those casinos with. Casinos represent the slums to me...and this is not a step in the direction of progress.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

Would you lke the following in your neighborhood?

five years after a casino opens, robbery in the community goes up 136 percent, aggravated assault is up 91 percent, auto theft is up 78 percent, burglary is up 50 percent, larceny is up 38 percent, rape is up 21 percent and murder is up 12 percent, compared to neighboring communities

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

I'm not saying anything about the tribe. I'm stating what happens when a casino opens in a neighborhood. This is fact. The tribe members aren't the one's gambling. They're laughing as they take your money. It's all the people that come to the casino that create the crime.

Good try trolling.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

So many on here are going off about how good this would be, shut up N. Lawrence residents, blah blah blah. Will you listen to facts? Casinos bring crime. Of course, you are all experts and know everything, but maybe, just maybe you'll pay attention to studies done that prove that crime does increase. Now, do you want this in your back yard?

http://www.hesperiastar.com/articles/casino-566-crime-casinos.html

The study, "Casinos, Crime and Community Costs," looked at all 3,165 counties in the United States from 1977 to 1996. Its conclusion: Five years after a casino opens, serious crime in the area goes up dramatically when compared to neighboring areas, even after adjusting for economic trends and other factors.According to the study, five years after a casino opens, robbery in the community goes up 136 percent, aggravated assault is up 91 percent, auto theft is up 78 percent, burglary is up 50 percent, larceny is up 38 percent, rape is up 21 percent and murder is up 12 percent, compared to neighboring communities.

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Ken Lassman 1 year ago

It's fine to critique the study; were the statistics somehow bogus, though, and if so, how? And how about taking the next step and finding a better designed study?

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Armored_One 1 year ago

Is the societal influences and what not as present in 2013 as they were in 1996? Economic conditions similar?

136% sounds massive. Good Lord it doubled. If there was only one robbery reported in a given study year, that means the casino, in theory, contributed one more. Were the conditions of those counties considered in that 19 year study? That is a long time to sit back and monitor something. Surely a casino cannot the sole cause of any of those rises. If a city has a major manufacturing plant close doors, it has much the same effect without a casino present. Were things like that included in this study?

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

Read the study! Right off the bat it mentions that "Roughly 8% of crime in casino counties in 1996 was attributable to casinos, costing the average adult $75 per year." You should really read it before attacking it. It is a very good study and the only one of its kind that took all factors into account. Casinos attract money and they attract criminals that want that money. Study even mentions a business owner in KC that won $3000, was followed home and murdered and robbed. Those with gambling addictions, just like drug addictions, commit crimes to keep their habit going. So yes, large increases in robbery are the norm. The study is only 17 pages, a pretty short, interesting read.

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Armored_One 1 year ago

For starters, seventeen pages for a nineteen year long study isn't what comes to mind when I think of a fact-filled governmental study. This is the same government that insists 'Thank You' cards be filled out in triplicate. They would have inserted more information simply to suck up more grant money, if nothing else.

A whole eight percent of the crime increase. Good Lord Almighty why aren't we out there burning down all them thar other casinos that are a plague delivered upon us. Oh wait, they aren't.

But back to my post that you are vaguely answering. Does the study make allowances for socio-economic events that occurred within a determinate and specified radius from the casinos? Does it take into account natural environmental influences? Is it just an examination of crime rates without further examination of the influences of those crimes, especially things like robbery, assault and other such crimes with reasonably easy to track influences?

Does it come in a more recent flavor, say anything within the last decade? Perhaps at least something since the turn of the century? Is there any comparison information contrasting a city like Las Vegas, Nevada or Reno, Nevada, which are both well-known casino cities, versus a singular casino such as the Prairie Band Casino which is reasonably well isolated up north of Topeka?

The study you tossed up like a Gospel is nothing more than broadly written oversight and not too dissimilar to a tourist guide map. There is bound to be crime, regardless. Quantrill is not going to reconstitute himself, climb out of his coffin and grab his pom poms if - IF - they do decide to build a casino. Lawrence isn't going to burn and no one is playing a fiddle, proverbially speaking.

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dougfirst 1 year ago

This is another Fritzel project. I'm sure the city will make sure this happens since they are involved. Good luck to Thomas and his family on this. The rich keep getting richer!!

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Buckysbabe 1 year ago

hey Gatekeeper, don't forget the tour buses filled with elderly folks. I'm sure they are vicious, gun toting criminals. At least if there were a casino in north Lawrence people may actually go there to do something besides drink at one of the many bars that north Lawrence offers.

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

Yeah, old people are the only ones that come to casinos. Did you read the article? Take a look at what happen to neighborhoods when casinos move in. This is no small study, 3165 counties.

We don't want people over to our neighborhood to gamble and bring crime. We like our little neighborhood and I know many of us would like to be our own town and not part of Lawrence. At one time, it was its own town, too bad that changed. Those that don't live there don't understand.

Please explain how building something that will increase crime rates is a good thing? If you read the article, you would have seen that it not only raised crime rates in the area right around the casino, it also raised it in the surrounding areas, meaning the rest of Lawrence.

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Armored_One 1 year ago

You do realize that for a seventeen page study to contain information, with any kind of in depth examination of those counties, there would have to be 186 counties discussed per page, and since there are things like an interdiction or closing, that number is significantly higher. It's a broad oversight, not an in depth examination.

More National Enquirer and less Wall Street Journal.

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oldbaldguy 1 year ago

Go Lenape! Welcome back to Kansas.

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Keith 1 year ago

This was opposed on moral grounds before, but the hidden agenda was that retail store owners didn't want the wage pressure that higher paying jobs would bring.

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hillsandtrees 1 year ago

The previous proposed was also opposed because of the crime a casino would bring to the area. Who said casino pay higher salaries?

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Keith 1 year ago

Basically everyone. They pay more than McDonalds, that's for sure. Nobody tips at McDonalds.

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FlintlockRifle 1 year ago

The old saying "if you don't want a neighbor close to you BUY THE GROUND AROUND YOU""--Delaware Tribe , Welcome back home

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gatekeeper 1 year ago

This land may not be in the city limits, but I can walk to it and be there within just a few minutes (less than a mile from my house). The Pine Farm has always been a part of N. Lawrence, it doesn't matter where the city line is drawn. Flooding and storm run-off is a major concern. You replace good farm land with concrete and where is that water going to go? Crime rates increase when casinos are built. You don't see it in the first few years, but after that, it goes up dramatically.

How dare us residents of N. Lawrence have concerns about things that WILL affect our homes, families and quality of life! Again, do any of you really want a casino within a mile of your home? I don't care who owns the land, I will fight it. This has nothing to do with Ketchum or the tribe. Part of my family is Creek and part Cherokee, so don't even get started about tribal issues or bias.

Fire station? Not a big concern since the station downtown is just a few minutes away (less than a mile) and when they did work on the bridges, they put needed crews over here at times when it could be hard for them to try to cross the bridge. That station has served us fine for a long time. I wouldn't trade a new fire station for putting up with a casino. So yes, I'd turn that down if the catch is we have to put up with flooding issues and crime.

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Catalano 1 year ago

Do you really think the Pine family cares about what North Lawrence thinks or cares about? If they did, I don't think this sale would have gone down. Who better to sell their land to than the Delaware tribe? What goes around comes around, albeit nearly 150 years later. (Think about it for just a minute...you'll get it.) I will be sad if the prime farmland is paved over, but it's their choice what to do with it, not Ted Boyle's. So learn to live with that, Ted. Get over it. This property isn't in your personal fiefdom. Just be glad they won't be growing smallpox spores to blow over North Lawrence.

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Catalano 1 year ago

wilbut. I like that. Can I add another "t"?

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irvan moore 1 year ago

I've known mr. Boyle for 35 years and regardless if his position is right or wrong I believe he wants what he thinks is best for his community. one quick question, if the land belongs to a tribe does it come off the tax rolls?

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somebodynew 1 year ago

winner, winner, chicken dinner !!!!!

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drillsgt 1 year ago

Lawrence north, south , east, west needs all the help it can get. For years north lawrence needed a store since the old rusty's closed, but they need money to help make it live, and if the tribe wants to help the community , better accept it. nobody gave a damn on north lawrence till this came up, the people in north lawrence need business, keep the money in lawrence I say. Lawrence is way past a quiet little town, with the growth of KU and the other areas of lawrence let it go and move forward. Dont make this a race issue, because that is not the point.

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hillsandtrees 1 year ago

How will a casino, or any business on Native American lands, help North Lawrence. No taxes paid to the Fed or State or County. Increase crime if it is a casino or truck stop. They will hire within their community as much as possible. I believe people who visit a casino do not visit surrounding business, if I remember past searches.

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Ogallala_Kid 1 year ago

One_eyed Wilbur must be turgid. He has complained about the "lost opportunity" of a casino for years. Notice how many posts he makes on the topic? I'm amazed at how someone who has so much money he wants to lose it at the casinos can bit** and complain about local tax issues (library, etc)

He might or might not get his casino, but for sure all those locals who wanted to protect "world class soils" might have a little shock coming to their system. Once those lands are deemed to be reservation lands, I think the tribes can pretty much do with them what they want: oil refinery, truck stop, tobacco outlet, adult entertainment complex, or a casino. Am I wrong?

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bornherelongago 1 year ago

I think it's interesting that not one person who blogged here today mentioned the fact that the Delaware Tribe is moving their headquarters here. That means, according to the article; a child care facility, a medical facility, perhaps some housing, which means contstruction jobs initially and then jobs for child care professionals, medical techinicians, etc.

The fact that these folks have chosen Lawrence as their "new" home should have all of us jumping for joy. It's a big deal. It's a huge shot in the arm for economic development.

And then, I think anyone who decided that because an Indian tribe is locating in North Lawrence, a casino is sure to follow should feel disgrace. That is prejudice, racist and in my opinion, disgusting.

These folks owned the land before any of us could say Lawrence was our home. How dare any of us cast dispersions. They didn't use the word casino or gaming once. But all of you have.

I say welcome back to Kansas Delaware Tribe. I for one will open my arms to you.

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windjammer 1 year ago

Who's post are you replying to? He didn't bring up anything you are posting about.

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windjammer 1 year ago

Doesn't the tribe have the right to buy land. And why would you think they would bring crime. They didn't say anything about a casino. You are reading more into what bornherelongago posted.

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somebodynew 1 year ago

You are correct, the writer of the article mentioned the casino angle from years past. BUT, the Delaware have not said they are moving their headquarters here. In fact they haven't said anything about what they are planning, so I guess it is a topic for bloggers to 'take over'. A few words from the tribe would end all the speculating.

And I too think it is good they are back home.

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kikipetie 1 year ago

I agree. Welcome home Delaware Tribe. Thank you for choosing Lawrence, Kansas. Thank you bornherelongago for your common sense and intelligence in this matter. I wish more people would think before they speak. I am amazed by reading some of these today, the level of ignorance (by some) that exist within our community.

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BigAl 1 year ago

I don't think crime, broken homes, trash or traffic congestion has increased any in Dodge City after the Boothill Casino opened. It has been operating now for a few years and more than a few people spend money in the community simply because the Casino brought them to town. I believe the same benefit could come to all of Lawrence, including North Lawrence. This might be a great opportunity for North Lawrence.

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Armored_One 1 year ago

And now for the really funny part.

Everyone, including myself, has argued for or against a casino that may or may not be in the works. There may have been almost a hundred posts on this article that amounts to nothing more than a hypothetical my side of the river is better than your side...

Yes, I am laughing at myself most of all.

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Liberty275 1 year ago

Greetings and salutations to our new neighbors. I don't gamble, but if you open a casino, we'll come to eat and see a show.

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RadarC 1 year ago

Everyone seems to be fixated on the casino rumor. It was reported that the Delaware tribe's statement was "...plans are likely to include housing, child care and a medical clinic to serve the state’s American Indian population." I hope they are able to follow through on these things.

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Carol Bowen 1 year ago

  1. It's private land. The owner can develop it anyway they want within established development guidelines. The use is not our choice. Free enterprise.

  2. Why is everyone assuming there will be a casino? Tribes have a government structure, they manage funds, provide services, and so on. Has anyone ever visited a tribal headquarters? It sure doesn't sound like it. The stereotyping is really embarrassing.

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James Minor 1 year ago

The acquisition is great for Lawrence. Casinos bring hotels, grocery stores, and jobs. North Lawrence needs help in business growth and now they have it. The revenue from the business growth will help Lawrence in public funds.

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bearded_gnome 1 year ago

thanks for speaking up Gatekeeper!
crime isn't the only worry. but it's a big one indeed.
I agree with your comments above wholeheartedly. and, I know that my comments are also not motivated by racism.

the assumption that a casino would be involved is drawn from the article, and their obvious area history. also, if there's a bunch of them in the KC-metro, and one casino north of topeka, then they may see lawrence as being just far enough from all those potential competitors to make their own casino viable?

*now, bring a headquarters/community center, I'm sooo supportive of that. that's wonderful. and with Haskell here, and our location in their former countr, Lawrence makes a great place for them!

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bearded_gnome 1 year ago

besides crime, which is indeed a serious concern, casinos also have other impacts. they increase costs on social service agencies for gambling and substance addiction treatment.

casinos also cause other less quantifiable costs particularly impacting the family. divorce increases, child abandonment, etc. see nxt post.

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Catalano 1 year ago

Can we please make Douglas a dry county, too? Pretty sure alcoholism impacts the family. Divorce, child abandonment...you know the drill.

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Armored_One 1 year ago

I think it would be even funnier if they do build a casino and the blasted thing is actually a focal point for a North Lawrence rejuvenation. I don't personally care what they do with their own private property. It's kind of amusing just how rabid some of our residents get over a casino. I'd almost bet that IF it was built and was a success, not the Sodom everyone is anticipating, not a single critical commenter would even mumble an apology or hint that they were wrong.

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Steve Jacob 1 year ago

I just don't think crime goes up with a casino in North Lawrence, due to we already have nine casinos within a hour drive. I think the social damage has already been done.

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scaramouchepart2 12 months ago

The return to Kansas. I lived here over 40 yrs and still consider from out of town. The Delaware lived here 36 yrs after being moved from New York. Why not a return to anew York. If the US is being fair, finally, why are the Delaware forced to only consider Kansas. Maybe after the way it is going downhill the US doesn't want Kansas anymore.

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Armored_One 12 months ago

Sounds to me like they wanted to buy land in Kansas. If I wanted to live in Overland Park, I would likely not buy a house in Salina. Who knows why they bought it. Who says they were forced into only Kansas? Maybe they couldn't find land for sale in New York in a location they wanted.

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scaramouchepart2 12 months ago

Sorry, not anew but New York.

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Ken Lassman 12 months ago

Now that casinos don't appear to be in the picture for the Delaware acquisition, I thought folks might be interested in what the research says about casinos and crime:

CASINO GAMBLING AS A “GROWTH POLE” STRATEGY AND ITS EFFECT ON CRIME†

ABSTRACT Casinos are often considered as a “growth pole” strategy to revitalize dilapidated regions. However, voters often reject casinos due to their perceived adverse impact on crime. Using a quasi-experimental design we analyze the impact of the casinos on crime spillover from Atlantic City to other localities in the region. We found that the level of crime in localities adjacent to Atlantic City and along the major nontoll routes to Philadelphia and New York City up to approximately 30 miles from Atlantic City rose significantly following the introduction of casinos. Crime levels are higher than they would have been in the absence of casinos. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9787.1989.tb01247.x/abstract

CASINOS, HOTELS, AND CRIME WILLIAM S. REECE†

ABSTRACT: This paper examines the links among casinos, hotels, and crime using Indiana's counties for 1994-2004. In estimating casinos' impacts, I introduce a measure of casino activity in addition to variables related to the timing of casino opening. I test whether or not the number of hotel rooms affects crime rates. Increased casino activity reduces crime rates except for burglary, where crime rates rise after a lag. Leaving out a measure of casino activity appears to create a serious specification error. Finally, including problem crime data plagued by incomplete reporting affects the estimated impact of casinos on crime. (JEL R11, L83) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1465-7287.2009.00172.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Temporal Distributions of Crime and Disorder in Casino and Non-Casino Zones

Research on the relationship between casinos and crime has yielded mixed conclusions. Some authors argue that casinos are crime attractors and provide fertile grounds for disorder in the surrounding communities. Others claim that the impact of casinos on the crime problem has been over-stated and that casinos in themselves are not crime generators. Relying on calls for service and incidents known to the police, this research reveals the specific spatial and temporal characteristics of all criminal and disorderly behaviors around casino venues. http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10899-009-9115-2

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Mike Ford 12 months ago

again, my wife and I go to Miami, Oklahoma frequently on the way to Route 66, Arkansas, and pow-wows. Due to the 1867 omnibus treaty that Kansas used to eject tribes from this state, The Ottawa, Peoria (which includes the remnants of eight tribes), Miami, Quapaw, and Wyandotte tribes are in the vicinity. The Eastern Shawnees were there in the 1830's and the Loyal Shawnee were moved to Vinita and the Modoc tribe was moved to Oklahoma as prisoners of war after a battle with the US army in 1873-74 in California. The Seneca-Cayuga tribe is more towards Grove but not far away. There is a Stables Casino (Modoc), High Winds Casino (Ottawa), Buffalo Run Casino (Peoria), Rocket Bingo (Miami), Prairie Moon Casino (Miami), the old Quapaw Casino (Quapaw), Downstream (Quapaw), Lucky Turtle (Wyandotte), and Indigo Sky and Outpost casinos of the Eastern Shawnee Tribe. I count ten casinos in a thirty square mile area. Are people killed and bad crimes occur. I haven't read about any. Quit buying the nonsense. The new Miami Prairie Moon Casino was built on Miami trust land right down a residential street near an industrial area in North Miami, Oklahoma. The area looks a lot like North Lawrence. You have to drive through a neighborhood to get there. Is rampant violence happening.....no.

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