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again, my wife and I go to Miami, Oklahoma frequently on the way to Route 66, Arkansas,
and pow-wows. Due to the 1867 omnibus treaty that Kansas used to eject tribes
from this state, The Ottawa, Peoria (which includes the remnants of eight tribes),
Miami, Quapaw, and Wyandotte tribes are in the vicinity. The Eastern Shawnees
were there in the 1830's and the Loyal Shawnee were moved to Vinita and
the Modoc tribe was moved to Oklahoma as prisoners of war after a battle
with the US army in 1873-74 in California. The Seneca-Cayuga tribe is more towards Grove
but not far away. There is a Stables Casino (Modoc), High Winds Casino (Ottawa),
Buffalo Run Casino (Peoria), Rocket Bingo (Miami), Prairie Moon Casino (Miami),
the old Quapaw Casino (Quapaw), Downstream (Quapaw), Lucky Turtle (Wyandotte),
and Indigo Sky and Outpost casinos of the Eastern Shawnee Tribe. I count
ten casinos in a thirty square mile area. Are people killed and bad crimes occur.
I haven't read about any. Quit buying the nonsense. The new Miami Prairie
Moon Casino was built on Miami trust land right down a residential street
near an industrial area in North Miami, Oklahoma. The area looks a lot
like North Lawrence. You have to drive through a neighborhood to get there.
Is rampant violence happening.....no.
Now that casinos don't appear to be in the picture for the Delaware acquisition, I thought folks might be interested in what the research says about casinos and crime:
CASINO GAMBLING AS A “GROWTH POLE” STRATEGY AND ITS EFFECT ON CRIME†
ABSTRACT Casinos are often considered as a “growth pole” strategy to revitalize dilapidated regions. However, voters often reject casinos due to their perceived adverse impact on crime. Using a quasi-experimental design we analyze the impact of the casinos on crime spillover from Atlantic City to other localities in the region. We found that the level of crime in localities adjacent to Atlantic City and along the major nontoll routes to Philadelphia and New York City up to approximately 30 miles from Atlantic City rose significantly following the introduction of casinos. Crime levels are higher than they would have been in the absence of casinos.
CASINOS, HOTELS, AND CRIME
WILLIAM S. REECE†
ABSTRACT: This paper examines the links among casinos, hotels, and crime using Indiana's counties for 1994-2004. In estimating casinos' impacts, I introduce a measure of casino activity in addition to variables related to the timing of casino opening. I test whether or not the number of hotel rooms affects crime rates. Increased casino activity reduces crime rates except for burglary, where crime rates rise after a lag. Leaving out a measure of casino activity appears to create a serious specification error. Finally, including problem crime data plagued by incomplete reporting affects the estimated impact of casinos on crime. (JEL R11, L83)
Temporal Distributions of Crime and Disorder in Casino and Non-Casino Zones
Research on the relationship between casinos and crime has yielded mixed conclusions. Some authors argue that casinos are crime attractors and provide fertile grounds for disorder in the surrounding communities. Others claim that the impact of casinos on the crime problem has been over-stated and that casinos in themselves are not crime generators. Relying on calls for service and incidents known to the police, this research reveals the specific spatial and temporal characteristics of all criminal and disorderly behaviors around casino venues.
Sorry, not anew but New York.
The return to Kansas. I lived here over 40 yrs and still consider from out of town. The Delaware lived here 36 yrs after being moved from New York. Why not a return to anew York. If the US is being fair, finally, why are the Delaware forced to only consider Kansas. Maybe after the way it is going downhill the US doesn't want Kansas anymore.
I just don't think crime goes up with a casino in North Lawrence, due to we already have nine casinos within a hour drive. I think the social damage has already been done.
I think it would be even funnier if they do build a casino and the blasted thing is actually a focal point for a North Lawrence rejuvenation. I don't personally care what they do with their own private property. It's kind of amusing just how rabid some of our residents get over a casino. I'd almost bet that IF it was built and was a success, not the Sodom everyone is anticipating, not a single critical commenter would even mumble an apology or hint that they were wrong.
besides crime, which is indeed a serious concern, casinos also have other impacts. they increase costs on social service agencies for gambling and substance addiction treatment.
casinos also cause other less quantifiable costs particularly impacting the family. divorce increases, child abandonment, etc. see nxt post.
thanks for speaking up Gatekeeper!
crime isn't the only worry. but it's a big one indeed.
I agree with your comments above wholeheartedly. and, I know that my comments are also not motivated by racism.
the assumption that a casino would be involved is drawn from the article, and their obvious area history. also, if there's a bunch of them in the KC-metro, and one casino north of topeka, then they may see lawrence as being just far enough from all those potential competitors to make their own casino viable?
*now, bring a headquarters/community center, I'm sooo supportive of that. that's wonderful. and with Haskell here, and our location in their former countr, Lawrence makes a great place for them!
hear me, I have visited tribal headquarters! I am a classmate of a former tribal leader!
I have been in Indian casinos and the crime around them is nil. I have never seen the problems that some who have posted on here claim to exist.
Gambling addiction? That goes with all ethnic backgrounds.
hear me, you speak of free enterprise. Agreed! But that is often scewed in Lawrence. Freedom is questionable in Lawrence.
The Chamber of Commerce this time should buy a big ad in the paper supporting the Delaware Tribe instead of the last time around working behind the scenes to deny them coming into the community!
Let's see how Dolph handles this. This is a time for him to take a stand.
The acquisition is great for Lawrence. Casinos bring hotels, grocery stores, and jobs. North Lawrence needs help in business growth and now they have it. The revenue from the business growth will help Lawrence in public funds.
It's private land. The owner can develop it anyway they want within established development guidelines. The use is not our choice. Free enterprise.
Why is everyone assuming there will be a casino? Tribes have a government structure, they manage funds, provide services, and so on. Has anyone ever visited a tribal headquarters? It sure doesn't sound like it. The stereotyping is really embarrassing.
Watch the folks in North Lawrence whine about housing if it is built.they won't like the architecture.
LAN will get involved in this!
Everyone seems to be fixated on the casino rumor. It was reported that the Delaware tribe's statement was "...plans are likely to include housing, child care and a medical clinic to serve the state’s American Indian population." I hope they are able to follow through on these things.
Greetings and salutations to our new neighbors. I don't gamble, but if you open a casino, we'll come to eat and see a show.
And now for the really funny part.
Everyone, including myself, has argued for or against a casino that may or may not be in the works. There may have been almost a hundred posts on this article that amounts to nothing more than a hypothetical my side of the river is better than your side...
Yes, I am laughing at myself most of all.
I don't think crime, broken homes, trash or traffic congestion has increased any in Dodge City after the Boothill Casino opened. It has been operating now for a few years and more than a few people spend money in the community simply because the Casino brought them to town. I believe the same benefit could come to all of Lawrence, including North Lawrence. This might be a great opportunity for North Lawrence.
I think it's interesting that not one person who blogged here today mentioned the fact that the Delaware Tribe is moving their headquarters here. That means, according to the article; a child care facility, a medical facility, perhaps some housing, which means contstruction jobs initially and then jobs for child care professionals, medical techinicians, etc.
The fact that these folks have chosen Lawrence as their "new" home should have all of us jumping for joy. It's a big deal. It's a huge shot in the arm for economic development.
And then, I think anyone who decided that because an Indian tribe is locating in North Lawrence, a casino is sure to follow should feel disgrace. That is prejudice, racist and in my opinion, disgusting.
These folks owned the land before any of us could say Lawrence was our home. How dare any of us cast dispersions. They didn't use the word casino or gaming once. But all of you have.
I say welcome back to Kansas Delaware Tribe. I for one will open my arms to you.
One_eyed Wilbur must be turgid. He has complained about the "lost opportunity" of a casino for years. Notice how many posts he makes on the topic? I'm amazed at how someone who has so much money he wants to lose it at the casinos can bit** and complain about local tax issues (library, etc)
He might or might not get his casino, but for sure all those locals who wanted to protect "world class soils" might have a little shock coming to their system. Once those lands are deemed to be reservation lands, I think the tribes can pretty much do with them what they want: oil refinery, truck stop, tobacco outlet, adult entertainment complex, or a casino. Am I wrong?
Lawrence north, south , east, west needs all the help it can get. For years north lawrence needed a store since the old rusty's closed, but they need money to help make it live, and if the tribe wants to help the community , better accept it. nobody gave a damn on north lawrence till this came up, the people in north lawrence need business, keep the money in lawrence I say. Lawrence is way past a quiet little town, with the growth of KU and the other areas of lawrence let it go and move forward. Dont make this a race issue, because that is not the point.
The deal is done. Not even our Say No community will stop this ingenious enterprise.
I've known mr. Boyle for 35 years and regardless if his position is right or wrong I believe he wants what he thinks is best for his community. one quick question, if the land belongs to a tribe does it come off the tax rolls?
KU wants alums to come back. The city wants retirees and mostly KU alums.
Dee Ketchum, Lawrence doesn't want you, so it appears.
About sustainability, well, could be , could not be, but for Ms. Horn to horn in is not appropriate. It is time for the local so called leaders to butt out for once.
For North Lawrence neighborthood, this land is north but not in your "neighborhood".
Secondly, wilbut is willing to bet 777 s that if the tribe is welcomed and moves ahead that the North Side of Lawrence could see a Fire Station!
You want to turn that down?
The old saying "if you don't want a neighbor close to you BUY THE GROUND AROUND YOU""--Delaware Tribe , Welcome back home
This was opposed on moral grounds before, but the hidden agenda was that retail store owners didn't want the wage pressure that higher paying jobs would bring.
Go Lenape! Welcome back to Kansas.
hey Gatekeeper, don't forget the tour buses filled with elderly folks. I'm sure they are vicious, gun toting criminals.
At least if there were a casino in north Lawrence people may actually go there to do something besides drink at one of the many bars that north Lawrence offers.
This is another Fritzel project. I'm sure the city will make sure this happens since they are involved. Good luck to Thomas and his family on this. The rich keep getting richer!!
So many on here are going off about how good this would be, shut up N. Lawrence residents, blah blah blah. Will you listen to facts? Casinos bring crime. Of course, you are all experts and know everything, but maybe, just maybe you'll pay attention to studies done that prove that crime does increase. Now, do you want this in your back yard?
The study, "Casinos, Crime and Community Costs," looked at all 3,165 counties in the United States from 1977 to 1996. Its conclusion: Five years after a casino opens, serious crime in the area goes up dramatically when compared to neighboring areas, even after adjusting for economic trends and other factors.According to the study, five years after a casino opens, robbery in the community goes up 136 percent, aggravated assault is up 91 percent, auto theft is up 78 percent, burglary is up 50 percent, larceny is up 38 percent, rape is up 21 percent and murder is up 12 percent, compared to neighboring communities.
This is exactly what the sleepy little town of N. Lawrence needed. Now if they were smart, they would allow a fabulous casino be built to bring in people to spend money. This is a no brainer.
We'll be able to see the North Lawrence sky glowing from the tacky lights they smother those casinos with. Casinos represent the slums to me...and this is not a step in the direction of progress.
The main concern of mine is that those fields contain some of the best, well drained soils on the planet, not just in the area. It will grow anything, and to pave it over to put in a parking lot and casino is such a sad use for such wonderful soils. Would that at least part of this land be used as "incubator farms" for aspiring truck farmers and the like, maybe in conjunction with KState or Johnson County Community College, both of whom have courses that could complement such land use. There are a number of young folks who don't have access to quality farmland like this who would jump at such a chance, I'd think, and this would also be in line with goals to grow more local food, create regional food hubs, and the like. Maybe our Sustainability Coordinator employee could check into this as a possibility?
Not that I am necessarily against this, but those of you dreaming of the big boost to the tax base, better do some more research on this issue.
Did Pines live in Douglas county? They can vote in Douglas vounty!
Douglas county is not ALL Lawrence!
How is their cashing in any different than Schumm cashing in downtown with a free sprinkler or burr, yoder, Francisco, Eldridge, McCoy, Kaplan and a few others cashing in on 3% loans while they sat on a committee and had privy knowledge?
attention Koback..finally a real case of voter fraud......sue and roger pine illegally voting in Dg. Co. While she sat on planning commission and he a state senator and drainage board member....millions spent on sewer line ....now they cash in...........wow
A tribe can own land and develop an industrial park as well and a shopping center.
The city has run off private developers, now are they going to run off a minority?
Lawrence prides itself on basketball and snubbed noses at :Dee Ketchum.
You don't have to gamble any more than you shop at Walmart or Menards. This time the Chamber of Commerce needs to sit down and be quiet!
Water? Dig deep and have their own water pant!
oh the city will pass it if they get a lot of money in their pockets
The county could make a stink about it, but I'm not sure the city could. Said tracts are not currently incorporated into the city of Lawrence. If I were the tribe, I'd consider defining those tracts as an entirely separate City of Lenape post-haste, before Lawrence tries to annex. There'd be major downsides (no city water, sewer, police), but it's worth considering at least.
Do I think the eighth casino within 50 miles is an answer for anything at all for any side? Not really, but meh.
Ted Boyle =idiot. Worried about traffic on a state highway...next to an interstate? Really? President of North Lawrence Improvment Association? Time to elect a progressive leader.
Tough call. The economic benefits from folks who will come to town to gamble will be more than a drop in the bucket. But there's a big downside with a casino in our backyard.
Can anyone explain how they would be able to have a casino? I'm all for it. I'm just unclear on the land issue; is it not subject to the same regulations as normal property, or, once a tribe buys land is that land then a sovereign entity.
fyi. the Wyandotte Tribe of Oklahoma owns most if not all of downtown KCK around
the 7th Street Casino.
Can't wait to see how long it takes the city and locals to screw the casino idea up. My money is on the city to make the first stupid move.
Tribes have survived on the most marginal land, I am certain that the Delaware tribe has or will hire the best engineers!
The Indian tribes that have built west of Albuquerque,I.e. Sky City, Dancing Eagle, Route 66 have been quite successful .
Everyone in Lawrence worries about benefits. What benefits do the downtown merchants provide to their employees?
To bad the Delaware Tribe wasn't south of the river! They could buy and level most of Lawrence.
Why is the Delaware tribe so "evil"? Isn't Lawrence all about diversity?
Who knows, north Lawrence might even get a Cracker Barrel.
This sounds like a great proposal. It's too bad they can't use Tanger Mall too. The flooding concerns in North Lawrence are very real. The whole area is a flood plain. I was surprised that the city allowed new residential development.
Flood plains work on the "bathtub principle". The more toys you put in, the higher the water. I hope the tribe can address storm water runoff. All the ground is low. It won't be easy. I would not want the city to sacrifice North Lawrence for the sake of development. The storm water engineering probably exists. We need to make sure it is used. No variances for flood control.
title 25 section 2719 b (1) b part II allows landless Indian tribes in Oklahoma to
purchase land elsewhere like their last place of residence for trust purposes.
North Lawrence was Delaware Indian land until 1868 as part of the Chief
Sarcoxie area. Good for them.
So, if the casino does get built, who gets the credit for all the good jobs; Dever, Brownback or Obama? But if the jobs are low wage, with no benefits, do we blame Dever, Brownback or Obama?
NIMBY strikes again...
Ted Boyle is worried about crime with a casino? Really now! Wasn't he the one who complained about crime in North Lawrence without a casino?
The site mentioned is near the highway patrol office!
Just imagine a new grocery store and NO sales tax cause it's on a reservation! Would Ted not shop?
North Awrence hasn't complained that Dobskis bought a large parcel ?
Passing Probability & Statistics made sure I'll never gamble for the rest of my life but I'll happily watch my friends throw away good money while buying a couple drinks. It could be good for North Lawrence.
Back then, before the multimillion-dollar Hollywood Casino at Kansas Speedway was built in Wyandotte County, the tribe was exploring a casino with a 400-room
hotel, convention center and museum. Dee Ketchum, a Kansas University basketball player in the 1950s, was chief of the Delaware tribe at the time and estimated
the complex would add about $50 million a year to the Lawrence economy.
---$50-million to the lawrence economy, that's in 2000-dollars, too? that sounds awfully optimistic!
casinos are not without social costs and harm.
Come on North Lawrence get off your high horse. That could mean jobs for those of you that can't seem to find a job. We need a closer place to go gamble and more than likely a nice restaurant. You let a Harley store get out of town a mall you wouldn"t support and now you are against a casino. You let a new junk yard in as the first thing you see in town. You also let two Juke Joints (nude bars) operate with no problem. Give us folk across the river a reason to spend our money in your neighborhood.
referred questions ... didn't return calls. ... hmmmmmmm. there's a lot not being said there.
if they just had used the baker wetlands we would have the south trafficway
Don't worry sod lovers. Backwards Lawrence will figure out a way to keep from making tax dollars off the settlement.
Agreed! I do not understand why north Lawrence really cares! What if the tribe got a grocery store? Ted Boyle and others including the Chamber of Commerce and City Commission are so narrow minded, they really are!
I was going to say don't be idiots and oppose this again, but I see I'm too late.
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