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How about one of the schools that were closed.
Classic Bait and switch. "Give us $92 million and we'll build this awesome career and tech ed building!!!".....so we do...."Okay, well now that you've given us your money, we have a better idea...but it's going to require a little more money".
Absolutely pathetic. This EXACT irresponsible move is why citizens become so anti-tax. Sanburn is essentially saying/admitting that they asked for money before really considering how they were going to use said money.
Lawrence should have had a technical and career center 30 years ago. This community has been so about KU that every student that came through the public school system was indoctrinated to believe that you would amount to nothing without a college education. The fact is not everyone is cut out for college. It is a shame that this city spoon feeds this tripe to our youth and then set up a lot of them for failure in college. Get off of your a$$es, school board, and get this thing built as promised! Now!!
How exactly do tax payers make a profit? East Hills businesses are some of the biggest employers in Lawrence. Sounds like a good investment.
Will First Management donate property on the south side of K-10? This school would make that property worth more money = more than worth the donation.
This facility could be located anywhere between Eudora and Lawrence? Hey the school district owns 75 acres in SE Lawrence why not go there?
Wilbur has a good suggestion as well. Wilbur has been harping on this matter for a few years.
District officials say KDHE has told them East Hills requires substantial remediation before the land can be used as a school building. It's the site of a former chemical plant.
stop spending money unnecessarily. I concur with use of a closed property or existing structure. this community never ceases to amaze me at their espousing recycling and preservation yet cannot wait to tear down the old to build new. wasteful in the least
Sometimes it's cheaper to tear down the old and build the new. Especially some buildings erected shortly after WWII that were only meant to be used for a couple of decades or those which can't be retrofitted for today's safety and enviromental requirements.
Attention School Board: Do what you told us before the vote and don't bow to pressure from the chamber. They are only interested in the success of their business park, not what is in the best interest of the school district.
Are there any vacant, or need to be vacant school buildings in east Lawrence? That part of town is where it would do the most good, and many students can walk or bike to it.
Hopefully it would have some spare land so that the facility can grow over time.
what exactly do you mean by "need to be vacant school bldgs in E. Lawrence"?
The previous school board gave Boys and Girls Club East Heights so to speak. However USD 497 is still responsible for maintenance is my understanding.
But that same school board purchased 75 acres off K-10 soooooo USD 497 may as well
put that to good use.
The East Heights building is tiny and probably a bear to modernize with computer labs. The old India school, current DCCA building might be a better fit, but it's also pretty small. I don't know where the property off K-10 is (other than the Farmland property which is apparently not suitable). But putting it along that route would make a lot of sense - put it on the bus route, and it would be easier for faculty and students to take the bus to and from campuses.
If this facility is primarily for use during the day for our students then the location is critical. Students needing transportation from either LHS or LFSHS would be better served with a more central location. I like long-term thinking but perhaps the Chamber is over-involved in this matter? What can they put on the table that is sustainable?
If USD 497 used their property off K-10 perhaps an arrangement could be made with the T
for transportation. The T has a living route in that area as we speak.
However CITY HALL might consider a shared use path to be constructed beginning at 23rd and Haskell to the Vo-Tech Campus.
Chamber of Commerce thinkers are out of touch with current demands. Housing construction can be learned OJT.
We want to promote small business entrepreneurs and/or highly skilled technicians that will move forward and make some money. Thus far this Chamber has been happy with Always Low Wages which does little to strengthen an economy.
Lawrence attracts students which should be the economic driver. People want to go to school in Lawrence therefore the school needs to be designed accordingly. When some KU students discover that the KU institution is not for them Lawrence should have a plan B in place.
"Lawrence should have had a technical and career center 30 years ago." Exactly! More students are key to Lawrence new economic growth.
Website management and design, Graphic design, Cuiinary, alternative energy training, horticultural technology, auto technicians...... etc etc etc
This can never replace a 4 year degree however people must learn 4 year degrees do not have jobs waiting like in the good ole days. Thank corporate America and beltway politicians for that..... Sam Brownback for instance.
KU graduates may desire further training after discovering jobs for grads in the USA have approximately 1,001 job applicants per position.
"But Sanburn said Chamber officials have lobbied hard for another location that would be more visible and more conveniently located to area businesses that would benefit from an expanded career training center."
Visibility is an extremely minor consideration in my opinion. The "conveniently located to area businesses that would benefit" is really pretty disturbing. I see absolutely NO reason for this and it makes me question the motive for suggesting it. Are we as tax payers going to foot the bill for training that's already happening on the job now instead of the business that needs the employees? I use skilled technicians in my business - I have to train them the the specifics of what we do and pay them while training them. When I hire them I know they already have a general skill set from their technical school and can only hope they have what it takes. If they don't I lose. I think that's reasonable - I don't think it's reasonable for me to ask tax payers to pay for that additional training.
The U.S. higher education system has VERY significant flaws - it's really become geared to draw in as many students as possible up front, collect tuition from them and then set them up to fail with required courses with hundreds of students enrolled with no real instructors. Students that drop out = free money for the universities and wasted grants, scholarships and defaulted student loans that the federal government pays for with our taxes. (Or at least money the fed borrowed from other countries - primarily China)
While local businesses may receive benefit from such a facility it really should be about the students - our local kids that need options for real world jobs that aren't no skill or menial jobs and yet don't require a degree and frankly all the nonsense frequently required to obtain one. Additionally we as a community stand to gain from keeping students that moved here to go to KU and find they can't make it there.
A technical school in our community should INTEGRATE with KU - for instance someone seeking certification to be a computer technician should take some classes AT KU that apply toward the course certification from the Technical School. A student wanting to be an electrician could take some of the introductory EE classes perhaps. This scenario reduces the need for redundant classroom space and educators, increases utilization of KU facilities by those that would otherwise likely not attend or drop out, and increases the prestige of the technical school. Additionally it would make KU a much more progressive educational force and set an excellent example for the rest of the nations universities.
Also - students that can't make it at KU could seamlessly transition to a cooperative technical institute - ie. - a kid goes to KU to become an EE, can't make it through the math requirements but is halfway to becoming a certified electrician already with the courses he's taken at KU.
I refuse to answer the Google questions to read a story. If I can't read it otherwise, I'll go somewhere else for my news.
"Only government teachers vote" "Non-government worker's vote is suppressed" ??? Wow? Really? Exactly when and how did that happen? Kris Kobach's fairy tales of bus loads of illegal immigrants were used to justify photo IDs. But, I don't remember being asked for a USD 497 ID. You should call Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh. They will definitely put you on the air. And since Limbaugh is radio, you wouldn't even have to take off your tin foil hat. S
buy the riverfront mall and put it there, great location and parking is there now
I think the tale is really told by this: The bond issue has 5.7 million for the whole tech school and 6.5 million just to upgrade network infrastructure. Early reports indicated the network infrastructure improvements were for the middle schools and the high schools, but the 'no tax increase' propaganda (http://www.usd497.org/documents/SchoolBondIssue.pdf) indicates it's across the district. How exactly were they planning on building a 'Tech School' for almost a million less? The answer is simple - the numbers in that document were simply divided out of the amount they wanted to spend as a whole. I am certain that all the schools in the district could have upgraded wireless for far less. It very vaguely implies there's some sort of curriculum attached to this figure but has no specifics - leading me to believe that's really separate.
I suspect we'll ultimately see something similar to the debacle when Free State was built (if I recall correctly), and what's currently going on with Rock Chalk Park and the Library. Initial figures will be wrong, item 'A' will come in way under the projection so more will be spent on item 'B' or they'll just add item 'C' like they did with the administrative offices at McDonald drive.
I think right now it's a combination of the realization that 'Oh my god, what were we thinking - we can't build a whole school for that' combined with the idea of 'Wouldn't it be great if we could get businesses to help pay for this' followed by 'Here's the deal - if we don't spend another 3 million to get this done we're going to miss out on this grant money.' (See Lawrence Virtual School which has a real building, a real principal and real instructors - student body supplemented by closing the Alternative High School as the 'Virtual School' received federal grant money while the Alternative High School did not. It made economic sense but should have been disclosed properly to the public.)
We have tried to show the city/chamber and school district the 30k square feet of needs and the estimated 60-70k square feet of Adult Vo-Tech needs can be cost efficiently met at the Riverfront building. Big open floor plan, extremely cost efficient to up-fit for classroom and demonstration space, all on city land, with city owned parking deck. Honestly they appear to have zero interest. They believe the weight load of big hands on stuff, ie engine,s air compressors etc, would be too much for the building , even though 45 thousand feet of space is on ground level huge concrete slab
It's really your typical government action - why do what makes sense when you can spend like crazy?
Another question is this - who is this really for? Is this really higher education or just an expansion of 'shop class'? While that's nice, what we really need is facilities that kids can start in at 11th or 12th grade and continue on for 1-3 years after High School and walk out with real skills that can land them a real job.
If it's really over after High School graduation it's not going to do much other than get them pointed to another technical school out of town.
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