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Wow, some of these comments are really one sided. Granted a bicyclist should pay attention to driveways near sidewalks simply because he stands the better chance of getting injured -- not because he is doing some thing criminal.
However, those that want to condemn the bicyclist, would you say the same if it was a runner or a fast jogger maybe with a dog on a leach? What if it was a kid on a skate board or roller skates? What if it was a kid on the bicycle? I would think once a car crosses over a sidewalk, the driver has responsibility to pay attention before crossing.
6th street isn't just a major artery, it is also a busy US highway. Anybody encouraging someone to ride a bicycle on such a busy road with no shoulder as opposed to opting for the sidewalk is NUTS.
Finally, I hope the guy makes a full recovery, and that the driver has learned his lesson. It could have been much worse.
Cyclists and pedestrians must know we are no match for cars and trucks and busses. A collision will most always render we cyclists and pedestrians the loser.
However drivers must know and/or realize how easy it is to kill or permanently disable a human
pedestrian or human cyclist with those large fuel driven vehicles. No matter ones opinion of cyclists or pedestrians.
Drivers must realize that large vehicles do not always have the right of way pure and simple. It's
all about respect for each other. Yes it is okay to allow a cyclist or pedestrian to clear those curb cuts on busy streets just as one would a large vehicle if that were the case.
Unfortunately cyclists and pedestrians must realize that too many drivers believe they own the right of way because of their size. No matter that cycling and walking/jogging are considered
legal and respectful methods of transportation.
I have experienced many positive interactions with large vehicles even large trucks while cycling. Drivers of dump trucks and other trucks have acknowledged my presence more than once meaning they saw me coming and waited.
Using lights at night was a choice encouraged by drivers who I assumed saw me coming yet pulled out anyway thinking they could be quick enough. But did they notice this bicycle that actually had the right of way? Choosing overkill as my partner in riding a flashing white beacon and a flashing red strobe on the front as well as a mean rear strobe. As a driver it seems to me that the flashing "strobes" on the front gets my attention quickly ... plus gets more life from the batteries.
Wow, some posts have been removed from this discussion.
Again, I say, cyclists are NOT following the rules of the road. They don't signal. They don't stop at stop signs. In many cities, you must have a permit to ride bicycles on the road, IE massively progressive Madison, Wi.
it does sadden me that once again we have a fellow citizen of lawrence lying in hospital, likely in serious pain, possible disfigurement, and a bunch of posters come with their agends, listing how they once saw a cyclist do this or a cyclist did that bad thing; well this likely isn't the same guy. and a few others come posting indicting drivers with an anticyclist attitude. we know nothing about this driver, too.
I think that we could constructively discuss how to prevent this kind of viscious injury accident without automatically bringing in all the history to indict all bikers or all drivers.
or maybe that's too much to hope for ...
I do pray that the cyclist will recover fully. sounds like a very nasty hit.
Does anyone know at which hospital Randy is being treated? He is my son's instructor at LGA and he will want to visit if possible.
If you don't have anything nice or encouraging to say about this HUMAN BEING making a full recovery after this terrible accident that was in no way his fault, then don't say anything at all.
Hi guys. Randy is awake and doing great. He also remembers this car pulling out in front of him and it happened so fast he couldn't stop his bike. Just saying, for a fact it was not Randy's fault... cool of you all to just immediately assume he was the "typical cyclist" that had a "right to be here attitude."
This is (probably) the typical case of the cyclist running through red lights and stop signs because "he has a different set of rules" and a driver not heeding the turn signal laws. We've built millions of dollars worth of bicycle paths in Douglas County to get the recreational cyclist away from traffic. Yet where do you see them? Mostly where they have no business riding. I nearly hit one the other day when he made a sharp left turn from a sidewalk in front of me as I was turning right and looking for oncoming traffic from my left.
By and large, those that think it is appropriate to ride a bike on a road with two ton cars while wearing a piece of plastic and styrofoam on their heads are the same ones that will tell me how unsafe it is to drive my car four blocks to the gas station without a seat belt.
I find that hysterical.
Not sure how relevant these are but here it is.
8-1533. Same; right-of-way at crosswalks; interference with vehicular traffic; duties of drivers.
(a) When traffic-control signals are not in place or not in operation the driver of a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way, slowing down or stopping if need be to so yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling, or when the pedestrian is approaching so closely from the opposite half of the roadway as to be in danger.
(b) No pedestrian shall suddenly leave a curb or other place of safety and walk or run into the path of a vehicle which is so close as to constitute an immediate hazard.
8-1534. Same; crossing roadway at location other than crosswalk.
(a) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or within an unmarked crosswalk at an intersection shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
I'm so pleased with the use of the proper lexicon that I'm even going to refrain from doing battle with the usual car-centric people who are still stuck in the 50s. The future is about moving under your own power-- get used to the idea.
Nice work to the author for the use of the term "collision" rather than "accident."
8-1588. Riding on bicycles.
(Limitations specified on the number of riders per bicycle)
(a) A person propelling a bicycle shall not ride other than upon or astride a permanent and regular seat attached thereto.
(b) No bicycle shall be used to carry more persons at one time than the number for which it is designed and equipped.
History: L. 1974, ch. 33, § 8-1588; July 1.
8-1589. Same; clinging to other vehicles prohibited.
(Bicyclists cannot cling to motor vehicles)
No person riding upon any bicycle, coaster, roller skates, sled or toy vehicle shall attach the same, himself or herself to any vehicle upon a roadway.
History: L. 1974, ch. 33, § 8-1589; July 1.
8-1590. Riding on bicycles or mopeds; riding on roadways and bicycle paths.
(Bicyclists must ride to the right)
(a) Every person operating a bicycle or a moped upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as near to the right side of the roadway as practicable, except under any of the following situations when: (1) Overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; (2) preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or (3) reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving bicycles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards or narrow width lanes that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand edge of the roadway.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle or a moped upon a one-way highway with two or more marked traffic lanes may ride as near to the left side of the roadway as practicable.
(c) Persons riding bicycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than two abreast, except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for the exclusive use of bicycles.
(d) Wherever a usable path for bicycles has been provided adjacent to a roadway, bicycle riders shall use such path and shall not use the roadway.
Kevin Bacon for President!!!!!! i agree with you totally.
IMHO, the only safe place to ride a bike is in the rural areas and on specific bike paths that are away from the main roads.
When it comes to the battle between a bike and a vehicle, the biggest item will always win.
Cyclists have a lot more to loose if they ride irresponsibly.
What sickens me is that every time this happens, the "blame the cyclist!" and "all drivers are idiots, blame the driver!" comments invariably outnumber those wishing the injured person well.
I will do my part to reverse that trend. My prayers are with both the injured cyclist and the driver of the car. Regardless of fault, both have had their lives changed forever and deserve sympathy and support.
Let he/she who has never made an error throw the first monkey wrench.
I do agree that riding on the sidewalk in that area is infinitely mo' better, remember that you forfeit your rights as a pedestrian if you use wheels on the sidewalk. Walk across streets and driveways, foot power enables your pedestrian rights. Blow through like you have the right of way and this bloke found that his rights were suspended for that 144 Inches of driveway.
Just last night while driving on 6th St we witnessed a car almost cream a guy on his bike. When we honked because they were about to hit we got flipped off and looked at like we were the rude crazy one! It is Spring, you HAVE to be careful! I live near 6th and Monterey and few yield to pedestrians crossing the crosswalk north and south across 6th Street. and you would have to be a fool or extremely brave to ride a bicycle on 6th Street. Period! Expect to hear more sad stories unless everyone puts their phones or what ever distractions you have, put both hande on the wheel and both eyes on the road.
Randy is a super guy and an experienced rider. No one stands a chance on a bike, moped, even full on motorcycle against a vehicle in a situation of impact. Please be careful! Whatever you believe on who has rights to what, we are all people and we need to get back to drinving your car and nothing else so these situations can be reduced.
Do you really think bikes should be on sidewalk/multi-use paths? Car drivers don't see the cyclists as well as when they are on the road. Pedestrians, some with strollers, aren't safe with cyclists cruising by at 15 or more miles per hour. Are pedestrians allowed to walk side by side? What about double wide strollers?
I like wide roads with wide shoulders with bike lanes or at least wide lanes with wide shoulders.
Lib is right, ultimate job of bike is to stay alive, one reason he is not really subject to same rules as cars. I ride that stretch of "multi-use path often, Repaste has point on sidewalk turning away from traffic. Almost every car turning on to 6th will speed through crosswalk, stopping at edge of street. A car turning off 6th has the legal onus to yield to the crosswalk, some cars do, some don't. I've seen children, elderly people, forced to stop in crosswalk because cars would not yield. The law treats it like a lane of traffic, you have to yield when crossing.
The fault in this accident can not be determined here and should be left to the authorities.
As for wisdom regarding whether to ride on a sidewalk, path, or the street... we should leave that to experience cyclists, not those who drive and never ride. Statistics tell the story... riding on the right side of the line (tarmac) and sidewalks is considerably more dangerous for the cyclists. That it is an inconvenience to drivers to pay attention, seriously? Your driving a several thousand pound vehicle... pay attention, take responsibility for your actions, and get off the phone.
What? A cyclist using a sidewalk? I'm sorry this rider was hurt but glad he was on the the sidewalk versus on 6th street! To immediately blame the driver here is completely irresponsible and a typical knee jerk reaction to an accident. Wait tell facts come out.
Generally spealing, bicyclists in Lawrence have a 'we have a right to be here" attitude. I drive many times on Wakarusa and Harvard, where there are sidwealks on both sides of the street, yet bikers insist on riding in the road at some of the busiest times of the day. Not smart.
I would like to know if the driver was one of the numerous drivers that are either too stupid, lazy, or oblivious to others to use their turn signal prior to turning. Unfortunately it is not to far of an assumption here.
If you ride a bike, all the "I have a right" junk isn't going to matter when you aren't breathing anymore. If you are on a bike, always remember people in cars don't care about you more than their dinner reservations, so the onus to not get run over is on you.
None of you criticizing the cyclist even know what happened! Regardless, have any of you ever considered riding your bicycle on 6th street? Have you ever seen the traffic at 3:45pm? Only an idiot or professional would try to ride their bike on that busy road. Thank God he was on the sidewalk or any accident could have been much worse. The sidewalk is extra wide specifically to allow cyclists to ride there, and if they were supposed to be on the street there'd be a bike lane like there is on Monterey Way. None of you have any credibility to criticize what you obviously didn't see and know nothing about.
It's also worth pointing out that it's not just a 'sidewalk'. The south side of 6th is, in theory anyway, a paved 'multipurpose trail' (okay, fancy term for a wide sidewalk, but an officially designated bicycle facility) between Monterey Way and the SLT. Like the paths on the side of Clinton Parkway. So the cyclist was doubly in the right to be there.
That said, such paths are statistically more dangerous for cyclists, mile-for-mile ridden, than street-riding. You can't be too complacent just because you're on a semi-separated path.
unbelievable, thanks a lot guys, two of you complaining, I took my hands off the handlebars for one second to point figures and slammed into a tree.... who am I going to blame for this one....from a he said she said sitting in my kitchen standpoint does it matter who was at "fault"? wont make your day any better and it wont help the guy on the bike.... hope he is ok
I hope the bike rider gets well soon. Motorist remember to be extra careful this time of year, there are lots of people out walking, riding bicycles. and motorcycles now that the weather is finally warming up.
While we are guessing who is at fault I blame the above 2 posters and the bicyclist.
More likely that the car whipped into the driveway without giving Laggart anytime to brake on his bike.
Cyclists should realize how many idiots are driving cars and ride accordingly (like you're invisible). Mr. Laggart learned that the hard way, but he's not the one at fault here. Kevin Bacon wishes him a speedy recovery.
Randy Laggart was riding a bicycle west on the sidewalk along West Sixth Street about 3:45 p.m. when he struck the back end of a vehicle pulling into the driveway of a bank at the southwest corner of Sixth Street and Monterey Way, Sgt. Troy Squire of the Lawrence Police Department said.
.......I ride bikes a lot, and if you ride on the sidewalk , the 'cyclist' needs to Watch the F out. Hope he's o.k., but it 's his own fault.
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