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What is the city doing with the trucks that are being replaced?
Will they not be able to pick up any larger trash that doesn't fit in the can and has to be set beside the can? i.e. a large box that won't fold down to fit... I assume this will be an issue even if it's the recycling truck, as they will be the same thing. Is the driver going to have to run out and grab the bags set by the side of trash cans that I still see around town?
Typically when cities switch to the truck with the arm, the answer to yourv question about extra stuff is "no".
Or there will be an extra charge. One of the reasons we liked Lawrence trash service was the fact they would pick up most anything left on the curb, if you called a told them ahead of the pick-up. Better that than finding items in the county ditches.
So this is why they wanted everyone to use trash carts...
This was part of the plan from the beginning.
Also wonder what the life span is on the carts that are lifted by the arm. We have a spot with the neighbor that, because of traffic, is safer for the men to handle both carts, but probably won't have the three foot clearance though. Truck will have to stop in the heavy traffic part of the street corner to have a "clear spot".
There will be a lot of stuff getting smoked with that thing! Mailboxes, bicycles, fenders.
What about the guys who used to manually pick up the trash? Let me guess, you parked them on the curb and loaded them up with your fancy truck and hauled them away..
Rather than speculate about their fate, you could just read the article...
Interesting! Are these trucks green and energy efficient? Seems like they will be doing alot of backtracking if they can only do one side at a time. Twice the amount of fuel + maintenance +++. I like the idea, but I am not sold as a taxpayer(not that I had a choice. I know, go vote. Which I do but that is not my point. And you know as well as I do how the vote thing works). How many folks are they laying of to cover the additonal expense? Chad, could you give us some specifics on all of this? I like the idea but not sure I like it unless I have more info. I know it is a done deal, but it does not seem like a good Lawrence greentown deal.
I don't want to believe that about Chad, but you could be a little right on some stuff maybe. I like Chads work and if I was in his line of work, you want the truth. Keep up the good work Chad.
As noted in the article: "City officials, though, don’t anticipate layoffs as part of the new program. The city may reduce its workforce some through attrition, but that likely only would be a temporary reduction. The city will need additional drivers as it begins the curbside recycling program in late 2014." Also noted in the article, the city concedes trucks have to go up and down the same street to get trash from both sides of the street. It will be up to you to decide whether that makes these bad for the environment.
Well, running very inefficient (about 5 mpg) trucks around town twice as much can't be anything other than bad for the environment - it will double the use of gas and emissions from the trucks.
See below. I missed that part.
The usual response to job's lost.
I thought Chad answered your questions in the article. (The new trucks serve more than twice as many households as the old trucks, and they expect no layoffs.) Additionally, this went through several rounds of discussion at City Commission meetings (and here on the LJW message boards.) If you're just now trying to get info, you're a bit late to the party, because it's happening whether you like it or not.
The number of alarmist over a trash truck is astounding. I have lived in Colorado for 3 years where they use these. Mailboxes aren't being taken out, they pick up whatever you put out even if it doesn't fit, and the carts last forever. Apparently Lawrence thinks this is some sort of experimental technology and not what most every other community in America uses.
Yep. Five years and counting here. No broken carts. No trashed mailbox. If there's extra stuff, the guys get out and pick it up. And the arm puts the cards back down exactly where it was picked up (instead of where it usually ended up - blocking my driveway - when the guys picked it up manually. And my kid actually waits outside on the morning of trash day so he can watch the "robot truck" come by and do it's thing.
I live in Eudora where we have this type of service and it's great. You put big items out at the first of the month. Plus, I don't come home to find my trash can in the middle of my driveway or strewn about somewhere else like I did when I lived in Overland Park.
Agreed. I lived in CA for quite a while and they've been using these for at least 20 years out there. Welcome to 1993 Lawrence!
Sweet! I am heading to the Riverfront Mall to watch the flooding!
beware of the coming resistentialism, when the electronic servants all turn against their masters! [sci/fi theory, somewhat treated as a joke, but who knows.]
be afraid, be very afraid.
They pick up the majority of trash with the automated truck and a separate truck spots and grabs extra bags. One traditional crew can then cover a much larger space with only a fraction of the trash due to the use of carts and fees. If you want to leave an extra bag in the Johnson county area you have to buy some awesome stickers that do not stick to plastic and when the trash guys don't find your sticker they leave the bag.
They say they are using it in the Prairie Park area. I drive that area in the mornings, along E25th Terrace. A lot of city trash cans are overfilled and have extra bags of trash setting around it. Some have extra store bought trash cans in addition to the city ones. When I come by later I never see them tagged for having too much trash like they did in older East Lawrence.
I know what you mean! I live on E25th Terrace and it astonishes me the amount of trash some people have, yet they never get cited for it. I know if it were me in that situation I'd be the first one to get nailed with "Too Much"
Maybe they should try and recycle, then they wouldn't have that much trash.
Just another prime example of making something that much easier for someone to do. This is also another prime example of how LAZY this society is becoming anymore. Just another prime example of people having to do less and less MANUAL labor! In this day and age if it can't be done by computer, cellphone, etc people don't want a thing to do with it. Its quite sad actually, but it will only get worse as years go on with the way today's youth is brought up with video games, etc.
This is a prime example of a grouch
No, its far from being a grouch! Its plain and simple that society is getting extremely LAZY! Its nothing like it was 10-15 years ago. People spend more and more time trying to think of ways to get out of work/making it easier. Kinda goes along with why the obesity rate is so high! More and more of sitting on their butts, rather than actually working!
Yeah, whatever happened to hitching up the wagon and driving your own stuff out to the dump? Having someone come by to pick it up is lazy, I tell you.
Just another prime example of keeping people from being crippled in their old age, and the city paying workman's comp.
The new system is great they did not pick up my trash or my neighbors.
I'll bet your neighbors are grateful...
The wonders of technology!
Soon the truck won't need a driver. There are already driverless cars in existence.
More jobs eliminated.
There are already too few jobs for those who want and need them.
And to think I used to scoff at the idea of Singularity.
It's real, it's here, get used to it.
I'd very much like to the see the "efficiencies that prove out" the effect of using the trucks twice as much.
These vehicles are tremendously inefficient, getting about 5 mpg. Running them twice around town will double the use of gas and emissions from them. What environmental savings does this program have that will cancel that out?
Thanks - I missed that part. If true, it is an added efficiency.
So the hidden cost of the carts is the trucks we have to buy. The carts and the truck make perfect sense for automating the trash pick up but I hope we don't wind up with the most expensive trash pick up around.
The trade off of jobs for trucks. How much good did that really do. Pink slips, unemployment, more pollution and new trucks. Pretty much sums it up.
Work Comp insurance is expensive and goes up if you use it. Having fewer chances for the guys to get injured will lead to cheaper insurance. And the new trucks may be more fuel efficient than the old ones were, and almost certainly burn cleaner.
gccs....you are way too intelligent for this post!
And, this will further reduce the number of jobs available for people with no skills. It's much better for them to be on welfare, or stealing to survive.
The one's I have seen have a camera system so that the driver has the point of view of the arm. I don't know if ours have that. It is just like a back up camera.
with the decrease of sanitation workers on the trucks I'd just like to point out that the lawrence sanitation workers have been really cool dudes. very good attitude and always cheerful, especially given what they're doing!
thanks for what yo've been doing.
so when those robotic arms rebel, just imagine the mess they can make! oh, it's coming, resistentialism, they're going to rebel. joy stick? riiight.
A couple of other thoughts about environmental issues. If the new trucks are even less fuel efficient than the current ones, that's another variable (and they may be, if they're more automated).
And, when the city implements the recycling program, and sends the trucks around more times for that, that will undoubtedly use more gas and produce more emissions.
Hmmm, curious what they will do in N. Lawrence. Some areas have alleys and the article says these trucks can't handle narrow alleys. Other areas have no alley and they put their carts out front. Will they just use the old trucks in N. Lawrence or make us put our carts in front of the house? I've liked having my trash cart in the alley, away from the house and not in plain view.
This just in. Carpal Tunnel Syndrome among sanitation workers on the rise.......seven year lifespan?...what is the lifespan of the trucks now.? thanks
If the pickup arm is controled by a joystick, how is that automated?
The headline suggested (to computer geek me, anyway) that the pick up arm would be equipted with vision and ranging devices to autonomously pick up the trash bins and the driver would only have to get close enough for the mechanism to reach.
What we have here is not automation, but mechanization, with machinery reducing the head-count of workers, not automatically doing the work.
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