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On Editorial: Planning vision


mikekt 11 months, 4 weeks ago

27th to 33rd along and around Iowa St is all about competitive business being closely grouped for the shoppers ease .

People vote with their money and there wouldn't be that many businesses there paying higher rents or land costs, if it wasn't a general shopping destination, in and of itself, that many people drive to regularly with their expensive gasoline and shopping time / needs .

The Menard's decision makes no sense to me unless one is trying to force people to locate businesses at the whim of a city planner and some plan made in the past, in the face of the fact that their plans are a brick short of a load, of current commercial common sense...... and the willingness of a business to invest big bucks in Lawrence's economy and tax base .

The planners need to own the fact that the general area is the New South Downtown, for those from much of Lawrence and points south such as South Douglas County .

The North Downtown will still be there and the cheaper rents should bring in smaller shops that don't need the space of a Walmart, a Target or of a huge car dealership or that don't have to do a volume of business equal to a South Lawrence shop, per square foot, to make it, financially .


oneeye_wilbur 11 months, 4 weeks ago

And how long, how many years before this new attemp at planning takes? How much more investment is run off.

Te buck stops with the new commision, and they do not have the guts to move forward. Call in Corliss and give him the war plan and implement ASAP.

All this talk now about vision and planning amounts to another stall!


LogicMan 12 months ago

"Horizon 2020 was such a document"

So it is obsolete. Repeal it immediately to get past the current crisis, and then replace Horizon 1984 with common sense guidelines instead of specifics.


Steven Gaudreau 12 months ago

I say let Merril take control of planning. Merril and the like can jump around spreading fairy dust and save Lawrence through planting trees and wearing hemp clothes with make believe businesses that sell candles and pay the staff $20 an hr.


oneeye_wilbur 12 months ago

So, what did John Stavros encounter mr criqui, me Dever, mr Amyx , mr schumm and mr riordan?


Liberal 12 months ago

Merrill can you please share where in this country J.C. Penny has remained in a small local downtown shopping area. You seem to forget times change.

Downtown used to have mud streets wooden structures and one general store. Shall return to those good ol days. At least with a mud street there is no repair involved we could save millions in taxes.

Lawrence according to Merrill's wishes.

Lawrence according to Merrill's wishes. by Liberal


countrygal 12 months ago

Let's hope with the new plan a "real" focus will be on economic development in this city, bringing in revenue sales to the city. This last denial of Menard's location to the city was absurd. Denying a business that will bring in jobs and revenue from sales for preferring more apartments, which do not provide jobs or sales tax revenue, is a reason this city has the problems in growth it has. The planners of this city need to remember that Lawrence not only serves citizens in the city limits, but residents of the county and beyond. Lawrence sits on the northern portion of Douglas County and alot of residents come to Lawrence to shop, along with Franklin, Miami Counties. Having more apartments on the southern end of town just makes these out of city residents continue to drive to KC Metro areas & Topeka. FYI- There was a reason Scott McCollugh was let go in Miami County. If you want a new plan, you need to start in the Planning office.


cowboy 12 months ago

Serious , we already have the planning dept , planning commission , county commission , city commission , neighborhood groups during public comment periods , individuals at public hearings , seems there is plenty of community i.e. busy body input.


seriouscat 12 months ago

This is a pretty good movie about city design that commission members and citizens might benefit from watching:


seriouscat 12 months ago

I would like to see Lawrence bring the neighborhoods and citizens to the table more progressively in the beginning part of planning processes instead of making big plans behind closed doors with the developers etc....and presenting them to the people of Lawrence as something to support or oppose.


cowboy 12 months ago

The problem with "community planning" is typically the ones creating these documents have no skin in the game. They are not the ones writing the checks for property purchases , construction , years of start up operating costs. The ones writing the checks know what they want and where they want it to give their investment the best chance of succeeding.

Additionally the lawrence community is anti everything. Try to tear down a house in central Lawrence and see what happens. Three different community groups will cost you tens of thousands in legal fees and a years worth of headache.

I state the plans are faulty as soon as they are published , why bother.


Scott Criqui 12 months ago

I love Lawrence...and it is time for our city and citizens to do the hard work of putting together a comprehensive, strategic community (not just planning) vision with outcomes and matrixes. It is hard work, but our community is worth the investment. MANY communities have done this with great success. There are several effective models for doing community visioning. I hope elected officials understand the importance of visioning before doing.


Armstrong 12 months ago

With the real money and jobs to the East, West and South, the planning commission may want to think about how best to serve a bedroom community / college town. As it stands now no one in their right mind would locate a business of any size in Larryville.


Richard Heckler 12 months ago

Lawrence has too much retail space chasing too few vendors, which means that many stores go empty, especially in the older shopping centers like downtown. This known as over built aka saturated aka the key to economic displacement.

As communities grow out shopping centers shut down. A situation easily documented throughout the nation as well as Topeka and KCMO metro. Over extended growth is definitely business unfriendly. Why go there ever?

When we located to Lawrence nearly 30 years ago downtown had no vacancies and a wide variety of retail most of which was locally owned. Smaller tightly managed markets are healthier markets,attractive plus more able to withstand market fluctuations. After all the idea is to make money.

The New Urbanism project on west 6th failed due to lack of interest by new tenants, Riverfront Plaza failed and so did Tanger Mall. K-Mart died and Sears has basically gone down the tubes. All of which took place in Lawrence,Kansas. Several major chain retailers left downtown Lawrence,Kansas as well due to not enough retail customers and/or the over saturated Lawrence market. Can you believe it Old Navy left town.

The surplus development has stalled redevelopment plans downtown and has pushed the vacancy rates so high that disinvestment and blight now threaten. Investment, both public and private, is wasted.

The recession has contributed to the problem, but had we properly managed our growth we would be much better off.


Richard Heckler 12 months ago

"How can we use city planning to attract more businesses and jobs"

This was the question in 1987 that was never answered and has been in every city/county commission race since 1987. No matter that the the real estate industry and its' political action committee the Chamber of Commerce have been running local government.

When we located to Lawrence nearly 30 years ago downtown had no vacancies and a wide variety of retail most of which was locally owned. JC Penney was in downtown Lawrence.

Nearly 30 years later the issues are still the same in spite of the the so called "monster extending the tax base movement" aka our bedroom community. With increased numbers of new real-estate you have increased demand on services. Historically the funding of revenues generated by new real estate does not pay for the services they require from a municipality. Yet wild sorts of tax abatements are handed out like there is no tomorrow.

Horizon 2020 was such a document BUT the real estate industry and its' political action committee the Chamber of Commerce have rarely respected such. Consequently a lot of tax dollar increasing development has taken place. The City Commission and City Hall is NOT required to respond to the dictates of the real estate industry and its' political action committee the Chamber of Commerce but they do.


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