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so in their zest to move out in the middle of nowhere, nobody seem to realize the extra costs associated with it? REALLY? more of the fine city planning. kind of like purchasing the old coop for a "business park".

TheSychophant 3 months ago

Where does it say in the article that they didn't realize the extra costs, oletimer?

A ll the article states is that there are additional costs because of the location. No where is it indicated that the folks running the shelter were not cognizant of these extra costs when they were in the planning process of expansion.

samsnewplace 3 months ago

couldn't agree more with oletimer!! And why does Lawrence take such pride in catering to the homeless, most towns send them here because they don't want them?

TheSychophant 3 months ago

Quit complaining, Mr. Marshall, and earn your GED.

Deb Engstrom 3 months ago

This seems like an easy solution, but there are many people who can't pass the GED test for a variety of reasons. It is not an easy test. They could look into the diploma completion program, which doesn't require a test and students can work through the credits at their own pace.

Thinking_Out_Loud 3 months ago

Each person's situation is unique, and I have no knowledge of Mr. Marshall's. However, Syc, your comment here is a sound-bite but rather facile, IMO. Structural barriers to persons in Mr. Marshall's situation--homeless, impoverished, and unemployed--are very real and have the equally real effect of preventing someone from completing a GED program. Deb Engstrom brings up an additionally good point that there may be other things that prevent Mr. Marshall from being able to complete his GED, about which we know nothing, but are also real. Rather than criticizing him as a "complainer," finding ways to eliminate those barriers or overcome personal barriers would be more effective.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 months ago

Or we could send him back to KCK and take care of someone from our own zipcode.

frankfussman 3 months ago

There are still folks on the street downtown that don't want to go to the new shelter. And, those at the shelter have a hard time getting a bus to town, or getting a token for the bus.

Frankie8 3 months ago

I have been riding the bus for twelve years and have never heard of a bus token. I believe that the number five bus goes there and I am sure that the shelter must have bus schedules available. It cost and dollar to ride unless you are over 62 or disabled and then it is fifty cents. You can also get a transfer to complete your trip if you need one. Some drivers are more helpful than others, so keep that in mind. Since the number five does not go downtown you will need to transfer to a bus that does which can seem tricky when you first start riding.

frankfussman 3 months ago

It may not be a token, but the staff at the shelter give, perhaps the money itself, to folks to take the bus, but as one person at the shelter told me when I was there, they don't always get the money. They have to have a good reason before the staff will give them money.

bad_dog 3 months ago

I just hate it when you have to have a good reason before someone gives you money.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 months ago

Next up...the request for funding.

consumer1 3 months ago

again... Like we didn't know it took money to run a business. AND>>> It increases every year. Those who know how budgets work know each year you have to spend every penny of your budget and then ask for more the next year.

mcontrary 3 months ago

The location is terrible and there are probably homeless who find it too distant to be of help.

shanep 3 months ago

I'm glad they have such a great facility. That way it will seem more like "home" when I have to move in, cuz the rent is too damn high!

50YearResident 3 months ago

Already within 1/2 dozen of capacity. Those residents interviewed are from Kansas City, Toronto and Tonganoxie. Where are the Lawrence residents that this is supposed to serve? Next thing to come about will be building on an addition because it's filled up.

rooster 3 months ago

Downtown is not an ideal hangout for people in a bind anyway. Lots of drinking and other things that take away from the focus of getting back on your feet, particularly if you have a family. If these folks need things there are ways to get to dillons or checkers. If the business park ever takes off, between the park and the other business complex nearby there may be jobs available for those who complete their GED.

Easy_Does_It 3 months ago

Any Lawrence residents there or just transplanted homeless?

connected 3 months ago

if this shelter served more local people wanting to overcome hardships i'd be 100% happy to embrace it. but that's not what the track record is. and the policies, practices and party lines are truly problematic. please tell me where else you can check your drugs, booze and weapons upon entry at 7:00pm and have them returned upon your departure at 10:00am every day. and how loring can claim he doesn't house dangerous sex offenders when he's said it's common that newcomers arrive without any ID whatsoever and can take them 4 days to obtain ID? nice whitewash, ljw. but then the videotaping done at the community meeting held at the Boys & Girls Club back when loring was pushing to move into Don's Steakhouse was never shared either. wonder what George Stephanopoulos' fat check bought and if the bias is based on lined pockets or starry-eyed blindness. this is supposed to be a newspaper not a PR rag.

ImRonBurgandy 3 months ago

Yay, Crime is already going up for those nice folks in Prairie Park.

kernal 3 months ago

Where's the stats on that?

connected 3 months ago

finding a box full of syringes, bent-handled spoons and heroin and witnessing a drunk man falling into the ditch every 10 feet...both on 1300 Road, both within one week...there's some stats. and the sheriffs who responded flat out said they spend most of their time on non-local transients. the ability to walk/run safely as a woman in this area that meant so much to me since 1997 is gone.

crispysyn 3 months ago

N1300 or E1300?

ImRonBurgandy 3 months ago

I'll give you a stat... Every neighbor I have has witnessed shady activity and foot traffic in the early morning hours, cars being broken into, ect. Everyone talks and it's pretty much a known fact that things are going bad quickly here.

kernal 3 months ago

Here as in the Prairie Park neighborhood or here as in Lawrence in general? Asking because your original post on this subject indicated you don't live in the Prairie Park neighborhood.

mikekt 3 months ago

Well, they have an area with a desk and some chairs for a GED class . That is an improvement over before .

For sure, this is a project that will never be perfect because it has had too many expected outcomes that different groups expected it to unrealistically accomplish, for anyone to make them all come true, at once .....and some will never be realized because they were just over the top wish makings !

skinny 3 months ago

It should be as requirement that only people that have lived in the City of Lawrence or Douglas County for at least two years can use the homeless shelter. I told you if they built it they would come, far and wide! Waste of money!

They couldn't have built it at a better location though. Across from the jail!!! LOL

vertigo 3 months ago

So you'd rather see the homeless sleeping on the streets of Lawrence for two years before they can move into a shelter. Makes sense (not).

beatnik 3 months ago

is there a limit on the length of stay for a resident of the shelter

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

What attracted someone from Kansas city , Toronto (wow) that's a long way, and tonganoxie? Where is rest of the story Giles Bruce. And a mohawked baby. Such a visual image.

My great grandmother went to the poor farm after her husband died, and four of her children were placed out and put, three on the orphan train.

Loring Henderson is making a a play for more money! Tell us more about the person from Toronto. No shelters there?

kernal 3 months ago

As of the 2010 Census, Toronto, KS had a population of 281 people and 149 households. With a town that size, I doubt there are many job opportunites, or anywhere in Wheaton County.

kernal 3 months ago

Sorry, meant Woodson County. Usually when a city is referred to in your state, the state isn't named. Besides Toronto, Canada, there are several states in the U.S. that have cities by that name. Seems to me LJW would have said Toronto, Canada, California, Missouri, etcetera, if they didn't mean the one in Kansas.

msezdsit 3 months ago

It is so good that your are qualified to pass judgement on all of these people. Your only qualification : Your not in their shoes and that makes you better than they are at least in one eye.

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

Let me tell you again, my great grandmother went to a poor farm my grandmother was an orphan, as well as my father at age 10.. Loring Henderson is NOT helping these folks. Why is someone at the shelter not able to get a GED when others can who are working and are sitting around in easy chairs, look at that disgusting photo in the paper.

Let's hear the real story from the JW and it only takes one eye to see thru Loring Henderson! Take off your rose colored glasses. You have been duped Lawrence, Gritzel or Henderson, take your pick

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

Certification in housekeeping? They could have started at 10th and Kentucky, instead of volunteers.

friendlyjhawk 3 months ago

I am thinking that LJW just interviewed the patrons from out of town just to stir up this kind of mindless controversey that the anonymous love to write on here.

oxymoron 3 months ago

If in Brownbackistan we have to show proof of citizenship to vote.If out of state students are charged more for tuition, our shelter residents should be for Lawrence residents—with proof—only. In my heart of hearts, I think this mess should be turned into a recreation facility for east Lawrence.

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

But Loring Henderson said sometime ago that one nite in Lawrence makes one a resident. So why does the Journal World waste time about where these people came from, instead of why they are here. Furthermore, Loring Henderson taught as I recall. That being said, why isn't he assisting those who need a GED. Hard to pass? Why is it so difficult only for those at the shelter and not for others.

The journal World does like to stir controversy. This is a ploy for more money and to support the a girl Scouts rummage sale to benefit the shelter. Why isn't the sale at The Shelter, after all the plan is to build a playground at the shelter.

I don't begrudge the young ladies in the girl scouts for wanting to help others, but are tehe residents going to participate at the sale and put forth some effort to help themselves!

Deb Engstrom 3 months ago

The GED test is difficult for more than just those at the shelter, particularly for those with different types of learning disabilities.

kufan1146 3 months ago

I used to work at Yello Sub in college, and the owner donated about 75 sandwiches every Wednesday night. The man who came and picked them up rarely said thank you. It was infuriating.

If you build it, they will come, and oh boy have they come. Marshall should prove himself by getting his GED... of course no one will give you a chance if you don't prove yourself first. Lazy people..

msezdsit 3 months ago

Great job of stereotyping. Fortunately Jeff or Bob, whichever it may have been were able to realize that the man picking up the sandwiches didn't necessarily represent the people that were eating those sandwiches.

kufan1146 3 months ago

Stereotypes are based in truth, hate to burst your bubble. And, also... I'm not a conservative and I am an atheist..

msezdsit 3 months ago

But you are stereotyping. ......

chelseadiane 3 months ago

Maybe they thanked the owner of the business? Maybe the guy picking up the sandwiches was a hired worker who made several stops and didn't have time to make sure your feelings were properly coddled? If something like this "infuriates" you, then maybe a thorough self-assessment should take place.

msezdsit 3 months ago

You just have to love the "compassionate" conservatives voicing their narrow minded view of people who are less fortunate than they are. Fortunately, the new shelter will be able to help a lot of people get back to a position in life that they can be self-sufficient. If your in the shelter it is because your lazy and don't want to work. That is as far beyond their nose as the "compassionate" conservative can see. Fortunately for the "compassionate" conservative, god is always on their side. While some people in the shelter may fit their stereotype, many people are there because for a multitude of other reasons. A multitude of reasons beyond that narrow minded "I'm better than you" point of view. Fortunately there are people who Know the definition of "compassion" is not "selfish and greedy."

consumer1 3 months ago

You just have to love the "compassionate" conservatives voicing their narrow minded view of people who are less fortunate than they are.

<<>> You just have to love the "compassionate" liberals voicing their narrow minded view of people who are less fortunate than they are.

Where does any person above claim membership in a political organization or make statements about being conservative???

"Facts please" this makes me laugh out loud!!

msezdsit 3 months ago

They don't have too.

chelseadiane 3 months ago

Who cares if the residents are from Lawrence or not? These people are fellow human beings and why should arbitrary boundries decide who you want to help and who you don't?

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

Then why does the journal world tell where these people are from?

chelseadiane 3 months ago

Exactly my point. Who cares?

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

Journal world does, and with one eye wilbur can see right through Loring Henderson!

eugunieum 3 months ago

I agree. We have a program at out church called family promise. We basically give homeless families a place to stay & decent food for a week, then they go to another church. Some of these people are in a situation, not of their own making. I am not going to talk about the families, but one man had children and was out of work. Family promise gave him a place to stay, he got a job, & a place for his family to live. I know there are some who abuse the system, but I would rather help them than build a pie in the sky super duper rec center 1/2 way to big springs, with Fritzel in the mix.

oxymoron 3 months ago

Because there are limits of what can be done. Charity starts at home—and our local tax base—not in your head.

chelseadiane 3 months ago

when you set limits for yourself you will find them.

oneeye_wilbur 3 months ago

So why does the Journal World tell where they are from? How many shelters are there in Kansas? If from Toronto, why pick Lawrence?

This is another play by Henderson to get more money! The commission will hand iit over .

kernal 3 months ago

For those who are concerned about people from out of town using the Lawrence shelter, there aren't a lot of options in Kansas as most of our towns are too small and/or poor to have homeless shelters. If you want to know how many there are and where:

http://www.homelessshelterdirectory.org/kansas.html

oxymoron 3 months ago

It is not our responsibility to be the homeless caretakers of this state.

kernal 3 months ago

So then that would also apply to the shelters in Topeka, Wichita, Salina, et al. Then what? Point them down the road to another state? If you look at the link for the directory I posted, Pittsburg, KS was suggesting people go to the shelters in Joplin, MO when they were full up. I bet the shelters in KC are pointing them West to Lawrence.

oxymoron 3 months ago

Communities/counties should be responsible for the homeless the same way that counties have to reimburse county JuC0s when their residents attend other than local JuCos. If not that, then turn them away. We simply cannot afford this. Our tax monies should flow to our own residents. I would rather have more funding to our schools than to out of town/county/state homeless who will never pay their fair share.

Alyosha 2 months, 4 weeks ago

What is your responsibility?

jhawkinsf 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I could make a long list of what my responsibilities are, beginning with providing for my children, family, friends, etc. My list might include duty to country, community. My list might be very long. Your list might be very different, which is not to say your list is wrong, just different.

But the question is this, if my list of responsibilities extends beyond my ability to provide for those on my list, is it appropriate for me, or you, to prioritize? And if it is appropriate, then is it O.K. for me to say that because these people appear at the bottom of my list of responsibilities, I cannot provide for them? They must provide for themselves.

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