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Chris Golledge 1 year, 2 months ago

How does anyone know anything about God?
Because you read it in a book? And whoever wrote the book was surely infallible; because they told you they were. Because it was passed down in an oral tradition? We all know that stories that get retold never change in the telling.

Please feel free to believe whatever makes the most sense to you, but don't claim to others that you know what is in the black box.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

I am always puzzled by those find it proper to proclaim their religious beliefs publicly. Perhaps they are mere sycophants seeking a pat on the head from church bureaucrats. Or maybe they believe they are earning a few more "brownie points" towards their ticket to heaven.

Regardless, they are obviously ignorant of the fact that religious proselytizing has been perhaps the most destructive force in human history.

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bearded_gnome 1 year, 2 months ago

Ron Holzwarth

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For instance, I got into a big argument once with a woman who insisted that baptism was a Christian thing. NO, it is not! It's a Jewish mikvah, a Jewish cleansing ritual, that's all it is, and they call it a Christian thing. I had to read her scripture and verse before she would believe me. Even then it took a while.

Not long ago, I mentioned to a Christian minister that you can't really understand the Gospels completely unless you understand something about Judaism. Because, I noticed a lot of things that I had never understood before my Judaic studies.

Even though he admitted he knows nothing about Judaism, he agreed with me.

---absolutely right. many reform/conservative christian believers/theologians call John the Baptist actually the last Old Testament prophet.

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bearded_gnome 1 year, 2 months ago

Print cartoons, write articles, editorialize, sermonize, rail against the Catholic Church and its changeless ways, but please remember, in faith and morals, it is God you argue with, not men.

---except it is the Bible itself that argues against the catholic church. in the example a few posts up, RE priests marrying, if readers look at the book of I Timothy, and elsewhere works by Paul, they'll see that the pastor of each local church is commanded to be "the husband of one wife." the catholic church violates this systematically, along with a long list of others ranging from: the worship of Mary, the meaning of salvation, the purchase of indulgeances, (see Luther's original theses) but the previous pope still sld indulgeances. the addition of tradition to water down Scripture, ad many more.
the Bible speaks well for itself if you actually read it in context, that is, you read poetic books of the Bible as poetic and historic books as historic, and doctrinal as doctrinal.

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Steven Gaudreau 1 year, 2 months ago

"the Catholic Church has never changed its stand with regard to faith and morals."

I can't tell if the letter writer is serious or not. The statement she made above is so obviously false, she must be joking. Just in case you really believe that statement, and surely you do not, but just in case, I suggest you watch the documentary "Mia Maxima Culpa".

I do believe in God but the Catholic Church is nothing more then a business fleecing it's members who only go to church on Christmas and Easter.

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oldexbeat 1 year, 2 months ago

Catholic Church is a cult within a cult -- first taking a dead rabbi and making him God, then taking another man and making him inerrant in judgement. Really. Wow. And of course the rape of Mary by a God is the start of a lot of rapes in that church. And this after the hundreds of wives that David and Solomon and others had. Great examples -- and we worry about 9 wives of the Prophet. Hmmm. Throw that first stone.... fun reading, never-the-less but really not important to humans.

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hujiko 1 year, 2 months ago

"What I appreciate most about God is He is not like us."

Wait a minute, didn't G-d create us in his own image? All of our flaws would then be directly attributed to an imperfect creator. Unless child rape is the ultimate form of perfection, of course.

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P76 1 year, 2 months ago

+1 for the satire R. Ann.

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jack22 1 year, 2 months ago

The Catholic church has indeed changed their minds on many issues over the years about things such as the earth being the center of the universe, the earth being flat, etc. and Catholic priests being able to marry and have children among other things.

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tomatogrower 1 year, 2 months ago

Ms. Butler, you can believe anything you want; I don't want to take that away from you. You just need to respect my right to believe differently than you do.

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Enlightenment 1 year, 2 months ago

Nice to see your former leader actually say what many non-Catholics believe. The former Pope in his last mass condemned “religious hypocrisy” and urged an end to “individualism and rivalry.”

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Doninks 1 year, 2 months ago

I think someone needs to read some theology, history of the development of theology and church history. the Catholic Church has changed her teachings time after time over the centuries. there was a time when the church taught it not possible for soldiers to receive the sacraments because they had blood on their hands, that all changed in time. just look at the Crusades, the warmongering that goes on to this very day and the church's teachings that the death penalty is ok in some circumstances. another example. it used to taught that charging interest on money was a big sin, one you could even be excommunicated for. now the Vatican is one of the biggest "money changers" in the world. try getting an annulment without paying out the nose for it. even the church's teaching on sexuality have changed. back in the good ole days the only legit reason for having sex was for procreation. some theologians even considered loving one's spouse too much could be considered sinful. people were also required to give up sex with their spouses during Lent and other penitential times and before receiving communion. when was the last time you heard a priest preach about that from the pulpit? there has even been changes on when the church said life began in the womb. Augustine didn't believe the fetus was fully human until after the 40th day, that is about the time it begins to move around. Aquinas believed the same thing. There are so many other examples I could give you. Oh and I learned all of this studying theology at a Catholic University. :-)

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jimmyjms 1 year, 2 months ago

Apparently, Ms. Butler worships a pedophile.

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Bob Forer 1 year, 2 months ago

".... the Catholic Church has never changed its stand with regard to faith and morals."

So is the writer suggesting that the Catholic church has been covering up priestly pedophilic abuse for centuries? Now that is disturbing.

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Katara 1 year, 2 months ago

I think it would be wonderful if everyone just worried about their own relationship with whichever deity they believe in and stop worrying about others' relationships with their deities of choice.

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verity 1 year, 2 months ago

I find it deeply disturbing that people actually believe what the letter writer claims to believe. If there is a God/god (which I don't ascribe to) I certainly would hope that the Catholic Church is not it's representative. The Catholic Church has been responsible for a lot of evil acts---just a brief study of history attests to that. That same study would show that the Catholic Church has definitely not been unchanging.

This kind of magical thinking would goes a long way toward explaining the rise of Sam Brownback.

Scary that people will go this far to delude themselves.

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 2 months ago

How does the massive catholic church cover up of priests sexually abusing young boys and girls square with this vision of the catholic church?

Catholic leaders and followers should argue with god about this.

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jonas_opines 1 year, 2 months ago

Alternatively, it's quite possible that it was men who created morals, and then created gods to keep people from arguing with their morals.

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Ron Holzwarth 1 year, 2 months ago

"He gave us only Ten Commandments"

Actually, there are 613 mitzvot (commandments) in the Torah (the pentateuch, the five books of Moses), of which only 10 were selected in the New Testament age, for simplicity. Of course, many of the dietary laws are no longer followed by many, same with the planting of fields, the restrictions on garments are followed by only the orthodox, and many others have no meaning at all now that the Temple is no longer standing.

What I find bothersome about this letter is that people who believe that they have found G-d in ways other than the Catholic church can find little meaning in it. Do our methods of finding G-d have no validity?

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Armstrong 1 year, 2 months ago

please remember, in faith and morals, it is God you argue with, not men.

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ThePilgrim 1 year, 2 months ago

"God is unchanging". The Catholic church - "changing".

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SnakeFist 1 year, 2 months ago

So when we argue against the Catholic Church, we argue against God - because the Catholic Church is God? When priests raped thousands of children, and the church facilitated it by protecting those priests, was it God doing the raping and facilitating? When the church was silent while millions died, especially during the twentieth century, was it God who was silent? The church is run by fallible men who make mistakes like everyone else. In fact, the Catholic hierarchy seems to make more mistakes than most.

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Paul R Getto 1 year, 2 months ago

Which god? There are thousands.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 2 months ago

"it is God you argue with, not men."

That's an article of faith, and the facts and history of the Catholic Church say otherwise.

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grimpeur 1 year, 2 months ago

Actually, it's Harvey I argue with. To the same end.

But please, by all means, continue to absolve those who would use their god as an excuse for their own words and actions: "The devil/god/bible made me do it." Sure, we've all heard it.

Free will. Do you have it?

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