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On KU Endowment asking city to pay $780,000 for 26-acre recreation center site

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The birth of this fiasco began about here at least this is about when the public at large got wind of it. This is a high dollar PLAY concept make no bones about it. Does it ever stop? http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

PLAY Overview http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

PLAY Committee Members Kelly Barth, Mark Buhler, Dave Corliss, Fred DeVictor, Rick Gammill, Mike Grosdidier, Sue Hack, Paige Hofer, Bonnie Lowe, Pam Madl, Julie Manning, Scott Morgan(USD 497), Wayne Osness, Linda Robinson(USD 497), Bob Sanner, Ernie Shaw, Doug Stremel and Doug Vance.

The Mission Statement of PLAY http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

Background and Process http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

The first step in the needs assessment was to collect data from a variety of sources. Three methods were developed to collect data for this study. The design team has completed the following: http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/currenttopics/PLAY/i_executive%20summary.pdf

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

In a civilized manner let YOUR commissioners know!

Mayor Bob Schumm schummfoods@gmail.com Home (785) 842-6729 Work (785) 842-7337

Vice Mayor Michael Dever mdever@sunflower.com (785) 550-4909

Commissioner Hugh Carter hughcarter@sunflower.com (785) 764-3362

Commissioner Mike Amyx mikeamyx515@hotmail.com Home (785) 843-3089 Work (785) 842-9425

Commissioner Aron E. Cromwell aroncromwell@gmail.com (785) 749-6020

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

LAN taking a voice in this only makes the matter worse and assures a victory for YES at the ballot box.

This issue needs to be shelved by the five city commissioners. Again any leader that pays someone to walk around with a piece of chalk on a stick, is hardly competent to make sound business decisions.

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The city’s largest neighborhood group is now officially calling for a citywide election on the project and is expressing concerns that the proposed bidding process won’t adequately protect the public.

Board members of the Lawrence Association of Neighborhoods unanimously agreed to submit comments expressing concern about the proposed process to build a regional recreation center as part of a public-private sports park just north of the northeast intersection of Sixth Street and the South Lawrence Trafficway.

“As we see it, the project as proposed falls far short of the desired standard of public bidding and cost certification,” Laura Routh, the newly elected president of LAN told me this morning. “Under the conditions outlined thus far, we have no assurance that taxpayers will get full value for their money.”

LAN also took the position that a citywide election on the project should be held, “given the magnitude of the project and the resulting long-term debt to be incurred by taxpayers.”

http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/town_talk/2013/jan/4/lawrence-association-of-neighborhoods-ca/

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Hudson Luce 1 year, 2 months ago

This, exactly: "What the commission needs to do is: 1. All five unanimously vote to not pursue a city rec center. Pull the plug, revive the issue in two years. 2. Spend the next two years in cleaning the town. Alley improvements, gap sidewalk improvements throughout the entire city."

If you look at East Lawrence and North Lawrence, and the existing neighborhoods south of 19th and east of Iowa Streets, there's easily $25 million in infrastructure upgrades and repairs which need to be done. It's a foolish waste of money to spend it on still yet another recreational center, we need to fix and upgrade what we already have, rather than go into debt building new facilities and letting what we have now fall into disrepair and ruin.

If land developers want a recreational facility in order to enhance the salability of their projects, they should build them as part of their project as a dedication to the city along with other needed infrastructure.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

Phillip Gass never owned land in Lawrence, but did have a moog! And Lawrence has a Boog!

Merrill's memory is failing!

Steve?

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

This has been smelling like a bailout I do declare. Kinda like the previous USD 497 BOE did for Phillip Glass if my memory serves me well on 75 acres of unimproved land.

If voters put back incumbents,a former city commissioner and anyone who would think like this... it's saying this is okay let's do it some more.

Isn't odd we're always told it's the lower income neighborhood children that need this type of access yet it is 10-12 miles away from those who most need it?

Pull the plug!

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Dan Eyler 1 year, 2 months ago

So now were going to pay another million dollars for the land, and then subsidize the whole project for ever because it won't make money and we can already hear KU say they just don't have the money to keep up the end of their bargain. If I am not mistaken they can't pay for the maintenance for the infrastructure they already have but they keep right on building. Why.....because its for the children and as long as they can get away with that line, we the taxpayer just keep right on paying. After all why is the taxpayer footing the bill for the recreation center anyway, yes you got it, for the children at least for the children on the west side of town who can afford to get to the place to begin with. Bend over Lawrence!

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lawrenceloser 1 year, 2 months ago

Just WOW. Everyday we get hoodwinked. I guess the devil is in the details...I urge the city commission to put this to a vote.

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leftylucky 1 year, 2 months ago

Business entity id for ku endowment 0237305 Business entity id kansas athletics 0338327 Business entity Id for assists foundation 3990926

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leftylucky 1 year, 2 months ago

IRS form 13909 . All citizens should send one in.

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texburgh 1 year, 2 months ago

Tell KU to go to Hades. If KU is involved then this won't be a rec center for us, it will be for KU. Hours will be restricted, Fritzell will need his profit. Don't partner. Don't build it. Don't tax me for something I won't have complete and free access to.

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billybob1 1 year, 2 months ago

KU should learn a lesson and quit trying to do anything for Lawrence.

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nekansan 1 year, 2 months ago

To continue the sports analogy, it's time to punt. There are too many unknowns and the city seems to keep coming up further on the short end of this deal. Lawrence should step completely away from the deal rec center, infrastructure participation and all. If KU needs the facility let them build and fund it. Then the city can step back and plan this multi million dollar project on their own timeline and in the context of the numerous other capital projects (sewer treatment, police facility, roads, K10 bypass, farmland re-development, etc) that are on the horizon rather than be pressured by KU in to a facility/fiscal structure that is beyond our needs.

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Lenette Hamm 1 year, 2 months ago

No, No, and NO! Make TFritz pay for the whole damn thing!

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Richard Heckler 1 year, 2 months ago

The million from the Self family changes nothing regarding this ever changing transaction.

I would appreciate the Self family donation go to the East Lawrence Hike and Bike trail that connects to the River Levy specifically designed by Mike Myers. The west side has plenty of neighborhood trails.

That said there are still more than $30 million tax dollars involved and the questionable process in general.

"City Manager David Corliss now has confirmed the city is set to pay KU Endowment $780,000 — or $30,000 an acre — for the site."

Again who that made that decision? Which city commissioners are pushing this nonsense?

What financial commitments have been made and signed off on? Why was this done? If it was done. This is no way to do business.

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toe 1 year, 2 months ago

Just vote to stick it to the taxpayers. Another day at the office. Frankly, you could see this coming the minute PLAY was involved. Maybe Self could sign a few more basketballs and pay for the land. Lawrence is a very challenging place for a nongovernmental employee to live.

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catfishturkeyhunter 1 year, 2 months ago

Uh, didn't they just get a 1.2 million dollar donation from a an deceased alumni estate? Just sayin. If KU wants it then they should pay for it.

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Keith 1 year, 2 months ago

"But because of how the city’s proposed agreement with KU Endowment — and its entity RCP LLC — is structured, it is possible for the city to pay less than $25 million. That would be the case if bids for the recreation center and infrastructure come in below estimates."

As if that will happen.

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oneeye_wilbur 1 year, 2 months ago

Did Seuferling have a donation committed, ad the donors backed out. Wate going on?

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