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Machiavelli_mania 1 year, 2 months ago

Also it should be noted that the depth of enamel is variable from one person to another, depending on genetics and environment. The amount of fluoride that one person needs to prevent tooth decay may well damage the teeth of those that have less enamel depth.

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Machiavelli_mania 1 year, 2 months ago

This should not be about whether fluoride is effective in preventing tooth decay. This should be about what delivery system is best. I think there are better ways to apply fluoride than fluoridating the tap water, with far less negative effects.

We should also look at redundant daily practices, like brushing teeth with fluoridated tooth paste and drinking fluoridated tap water. Look at the redundancies regarding fluoride.

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Machiavelli_mania 1 year, 2 months ago

If fluoride effects the hardest substance our bodies naturally make, tooth enamel: ...?

... what does it do to the mucus membranes of the esophagus that meet it directly, ... what does it do to the digestive process, to the stomach, if it influences the hardest substance of our body... ... what does it do to the liver that must process it, the liver with it's approx. 108 functions in the human body (that we know of presently)... ... what does it do to the kidneys that must filter it and it's byproducts (if there are any) out of our blood stream and assist in it's excretion... ... what about our bones which will become hyper-brittle with long-term ingestion of fluroide... ... what does fluoride do to the extremely tender, glorious aveoli of our lungs, where essential gas exchange takes place, while we inhale the known toxin while we shower daily... ...?

I simply feel these questions been to be adequately answered if we are to determine whether the continuation of fluoride in tap water is necessary.

Here are the facts: ...the teeth are the easiest to replace body parts that exist today, tho stem cells and 3D printers may well eventually help replace other body parts.... ... you can live without teeth. ... it will take an act of some god to help you replace the liver, and you cannot live without a fully functioning liver. ... it would take a rare and most generous gift from someone to replace a kidney, and you cannot live without at least one kidney for very long, for a high quality of life.

There is also a large issue of fluoridated tap water actually causing fluorosis, which itself creates HOLES in the enamel, in young teeth. This is what I experienced with my child, which then lead to the consumption of reverse osmosis drinking water and my personal campaign to protest the fluoridation of tap water supplies.

It is my understanding that the fluoridation of the water supply occurred before (!) fluoride was put into toothpaste, which is now cheap and readily available. It is entirely clear that liquid dental fluoride can be bought in the grocery stores for pretty cheaply.

Then there are the ever-increasing costs to the fluoridation of water, when last I checked, the price had nearly doubled in one year half a decade ago. Let's look at the costs of fluoridation and the costs of replacing that practice with something a bit more financially practical and most assuredly more direct and effective.

I call for an end to the fluoridation of Lawrence tap water.

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dianedraytonbuckland 1 year, 2 months ago

Fluoridation Fraud pushing City Council. Anti-Fluoride Group Submits More than 35,000 Signatures to Portland in ‘Confident’ Bid to Force Vote - November 29, 2012 In a country where fluoride is added to 70 percent of U.S. public drinking water supplies to supposedly aid in the prevention of cavities, Portland, Oregon stands out from the crowd. Portland is the largest city in the United States that has yet to add fluoride to its water supply, a stance that was set to change thanks to a unanimous city council vote in September 2012. However, Portland residents were not content to sit still while a proven neurotoxin was added to their drinking water ... so, in a move that may inspire other cities around the U.S. to follow suit, they did something about it. But:- Before that Completely corrupt Portland City Council secretly met with fluoride lobbyists before voting to poison Oregonians’ water - Tuesday, October 23, 2012 http://www.naturalnews.com/037648_fluoride_Portland_corruption.html

TOOTH DECAY CRISES IN FLUORIDATED AREAS- 2008 figure Fluoride News Tracker Tooth decay: a sad national epidemic caused by lack of dentists who care and not a fluoride need. Extensive lobbying, political maneuvering and expensive public relations campaigns by organized dentistry sway legislators to add fluoride chemicals into public water supplies, 2/3 of which already are, to benefit those whom dentists neglect. Protecting their high-salaried monopoly, dentists lobby against dental groups offering quality, cheaper fixes. Fluoride product makers benefit most.

Portland Oregon NEVER FLUORIDATED (Oct. 2012 Devious Plan to do so as shown above) 2008 Population: 550,396 (US Census Bureau Pop. Fact Finder) Number of Dentists: 629 (AnyWho Yellow Pages, current listing)

Grand Rapids, Michigan FLUORIDATED SINCE 1945 (First In US And World) 2008 Population: 193,627 (US Census Bureau Pop. Fact Finder) Number of Dentists: 924 (AnyWho Yellow Pages, current listing)

Much increased Business for Dentists For More Information On Fluoride News Tracker

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dianedraytonbuckland 1 year, 2 months ago

See detailed Report Water Fluoridation Must End here > Water Fluoridation Pollution Must End > Download Report from here: http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/fia-report-archives/ ~~ Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA’s Standards | 2006
Committee on Fluoride in Drinking Water, National Research Council, National Academy of Sciences
> Recommendations: pp. 87-88, 101-102, 130, 180, 204, 222-223, 266-267, 302-303, 338-339, 352-353 | FAN
> Expert viewpoints: Panelist statements | Thiessen interview | Limeback clarifications
> Relevance to Margin of Safety: FAN | Connett 2008 | Connett 2011 - Source: http://afamildura.wordpress.com/reports-reviews/ ~~~~ Under FOI it was found, that the ADA asked for $200,000 and received $220,000 from Bligh’s Health Minister, Stephen Robertson to promote ‘fluoridation’ and their colleagues at the AMA sent a letter to Dr. Jeannette young, Chief Health Officer Queensland Health extract from FOI :- “The AMA believes the 'strategic approach' referred to in your letter must be for Government to mandate water fluoridation throughout the State. The approach to encourage individual councils to adopt fluoridation of their own volition has failed.”
Some view this allegedly, as tantamount to ‘conspiring’ to ‘mandate’ ‘water fluoridation'.
~~ If all the population saw the evidence of harm and abysmal failure of water fluoridation they would not be so trusting and gullible. The Fluoridation Propaganda Machine/Web of Deception have slick PR Media experts grooming 'their deception'. If the truth got to the population, none of you would allow this chronic poisoning of us all.

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dianedraytonbuckland 1 year, 2 months ago

ALZHEIMER’S DISEASE - Epidemic - Fluoride/Aluminium Remember as well as the silicofluorides (hazardous waste pollutants and co-contaminants known as 'fluoride') they also add aluminium sulphate.

Australia already faces Alzheimer's Disease (& Kidney disease) epidemics - STOP 'WATER POLLUTION/FLUORIDATION' immediately permanently & irrevocably for all time or face the ruin. Dementia, including Alzheimer's Disease (AD) is fast becoming the greatest public health issue, ever. In the UK the Alzheimer's Society recently stated that one in three persons over the age of 65 will die from AD - and it's increasing so fast that in thirty years time the prevalence is expected to treble (do the maths and shiver!). Your children will live with fluorosis, but they will die with dementia. Since the evidence that environmental exposure to ionic aluminium salts, such as the aluminium sulphate used in water treatment, is a leading cause of AD. There is a 50% and 150% increase in AD in areas where the water contains only half the permitted maximum of 0.2ppm. Fluoride in water - increases the speed at which it is absorbed and transferred to the brain. Adding Fluoride To Drinking Water Is Literally Insane. Fluoridation is bad on its own, but in the presence of aluminium its effects are becoming catastrophic as our 'aluminium clocks' tick away the countdown to Alzheimer's - fluoride speeds up that lethal clock.. Doug Cross UKCAF http://ukcaf.org/ 
CV http://www .intota.com/expert-consultant.asp?bioID=778541&perID=728108 ~~~~

Please watch Queensland Government Dentist Michael Foley teach the Japanese the propaganda/art of pushing 'water fluoridation'. http://afamildura.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/foley-smears-connett-then-wimps-out-of-debate/ 

 ~~ Common sense, the Precautionary Principle, First Do No Harm and the Health and Safety of our Population and their rights to choose to not be forcibly drugged/medicated/chronically poisoned through the water supplies and entire food chain with hazardous waste pollutants known as 'fluoridation' above all has to be first and foremost - especially when it comes to disposing of dangerously corrosive hazardous waste pollutants fluorosilicic acid/silicofluorides and co-contaminants of lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc., from the phosphate fertilizer industries being disposed of into our drinking water supplies using the populations' kidneys as hazardous waste disposal/filtration units. This is obscene.
~~ SEE MOVIE FLUORIDEGATE http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/posts/   ~~ The Case Against Fluoride (ISBN: 9781603582872) by Dr. Paul Connett, Dr. James Beck, and Dr. Spedding Micklem. A Response to Pro-Fluoridation Claims (free extract): http://www.fluoridealert.org/uploads/proponent_claims.pdf ~~ Professional Perspectives on Water Fluoridation: http://www.fluoridealert.org/fan-tv/prof-perspectives/

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dianedraytonbuckland 1 year, 2 months ago

This from Dr. Young is totally untrue FROM THE FLUORIDATION PROPAGANDA MACHINE/WEB OF DECEPTION:- Dr Young said fluoridation was one of the few areas in medicine that was "absolutely black and white" and pointed to Townsville as a prime example. "Townsville has had fluoride in its water supply since 1964 and the only difference between Townsville and the rest of the state was that they had far better teeth," she said. "Numerous studies have shown kids in Townsville have between 40-60% less tooth decay."   NOW FOR THE TRUTH:- go here > http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/ama-ada-dentists/ada-usa-au-ama/

see documents under Townsville  - read everything but take particular note in the Response to claims Townsville fluoridated since 1965 residents have been guinea pigs for fluoridation -  note the Media Release from Minister for Tourism, Regional Development and Industry Dec. 4, 2007 

Townsville school kids to trial a treatment to stop tooth rot   !!!!! - water fluoridation/pollution is not effective and it's certainly not safe - and this is in addition to having multiple dental vans visiting the schools and a very lucrative DENTAL INDUSTRY - get the picture??

and then see here >  http://fluorideinformationaustralia.wordpress.com/ama-ada-dentists/fluoridation-more-dentists/

Remember, our Dental Training Schools at our Universities 'sponsored' by Colgate and ors.  the biggest 'fluoride' promoters in the business. TIME FOR TRUTH TO THE POPULATION and the chronic poisoning of the population bhy 'water fluoridation pollutants' must end for urgently and for all time.

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gr 1 year, 2 months ago

"In reviewing any online or print publication, it is important to consider the source. The source of this review by Drs. Melbye and Armfield (which cites 62 publications) is none other than the American Dental Association (JADA.ada.org). "

Ok, I thought Bruce was thinking here, but then he goes on to make a faulty conclusion.

Better think through it, Bruce.

If the city commission is going to continue to assume the responsibility for preventing cavities, then what does that do to their liability if someone still gets cavities? What if someone's teeth is damaged from too much fluoride? Does the city do teeth cleaning too, among their other assumed dental responsibilities?

And what is this infatuation about cavities? Thousands of people are dying each year from heart disease, diabetes, and other personal choices of poor eating habits. They are eating themselves into the grave. And yet, the biggest concern is, if they have cavities?!

R.I.P. Here lies Joe. Died from not being able to say no to eating bad food. But we're happy to report, he has "possibly reduced" cavities.

This is kind of like people going around probing cow's rears thinking to "save the earth" while at the same time, Japan's nuclear reactor meltdowns are continuing to spew radiation into the air, operators dumping contaminated water directly into the Pacific ocean, not knowing where the core of the fuel went to, not knowing how to stop the meltdown.

http://enenews.com/radio-continually-radioactive-elements-being-flushed-pacific-fukushima-accident-will-never-idea-clean-caldicott-audio

Then on the same site, in Louisiana, Texas brine is reported to have caused a sinkhole by compromising a cavern about a mile deep and three miles wide which has been causing cracked foundations as the sinkhole expands. The residents have been evacuated with no determination of when they can come back, if ever, provided their houses do not drop out of site. And there is a possibility of the stored gas exploding as the ground tremors bring it to the surface. To slap them in the face, their home owner's insurance has been dropped. These are man-made things causing real problems. Not air.

R.I.P. But at least we're happy to report that the very small percentage of total air humans are increasing has been reduced!

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Tony Kisner 1 year, 2 months ago

What is not being addressed is the government conspiracy to control us using fluoride and black helicopters. Started with Nixon.

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Paul R Getto 1 year, 2 months ago

The age of magic lives on, in the Legislature, and apparently in our mouths. Sounds like Dr. Strangelove.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 2 months ago

That fluoride is beneficial in preventing tooth decay in kids is rather settled science. That putting it into the public water supply is the best way to administer it is far from settled. As a matter of fact, there's a good deal of evidence that there are equally beneficial ways to administer it to kids, who are the only ones who benefit from it, without exposing the adult population to what's a known toxin.

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NoSpin 1 year, 2 months ago

Btw, fluoridation may be a moot point. How many people drink unfiltered tap water these days?

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NoSpin 1 year, 2 months ago

Nyscof, the primary cause of decay is bacteria. Also, you think dentists are brainwashed about fluoride? These professionals advocate an element that actually reduces their income. You must be right....they must be drinking too much fluoride lowering intelligence. Ha! Please find a real scientific study and not anecdotes. If you haven't noticed, soft drinks, energy drinks are a little acidic and fast food has a few carbs.... now that's a correlation that can be studied.

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Nys Cof 1 year, 2 months ago

Most dentists are trained to use politics and not science to promote fluoridation, according to Armfield and Melbye in the Journal of the American Dental Association . The researchers write: "Studies of dentists' attitudes about water fluoridation suggest that a lack of knowledge and preparedness are barriers to discussing the topic ... more than one-half of the respondents believed they needed more information and training on the issue.

Armfield and Melbye postulate that: "Dentists' lack of self-efficacy with respect to critically evaluating scientific literature may help to explain their reluctance to promote water fluoridation in their clinical practices."

Several studies show that dentists are misinformed about fluoride science e.g. this study by Yoder et al http://tinyurl.com/Yoder

Using federal statistics, the West Virginia University Rural Health Research Center reports that urban US children, with more exposure to fluoridated water and dental care, have just as many cavities as less fluoridation-exposed rural children.

The researchers write: “For children’s dental health measures, it was found that fluoridation rates were not significantly related to the measures of either caries or overall condition of the teeth for urban or rural areas.”

New York City spends tens of millions of dollars annually on fluoridation. Yet NYC’s Chinese-American 2-to-11-year-olds, living in the low-income area of Manhattan’s Chinatown have much more primary tooth decay when compared to white and other minority groups nationally (NYS Dental Journal June/July 2011).

Most of NYC’s Chinese-American children are US born - 63% have primary tooth decay compared to only 38% of children in a national study.

The authors write, “This high prevalence of caries in the primary dentition is also similar to a national survey of children in mainland China, where three out of four children were found to be affected by caries in primary teeth,” averaging about 5 decayed teeth.

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