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On Brownback, KU officials hope to draw on free-state history to fight modern-day slavery

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question4u 1 year, 10 months ago

"'This is who we are,' Brownback said." As he patted Virgil Peck on the head for suggesting the murder of immigrants from helicopters, laughed at Mike O'Neal's racist jokes and shook his hand for engineering the stripping of bargaining rights from public employees, and raised the tax burden on the poorest Kansans.

Saint Sam...um, yeah.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 10 months ago

What a hypocrite. Brownback's policies accelerating the downward spiral in the race to the bottom will create precisely the conditions in which slavery flourishes.

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 10 months ago

I guess he is finally talking about something He knows about and understands: the exploitation of entire groups of people to benefit the Wealthy.

Catalano 1 year, 10 months ago

I thin we're already there. I pretty much already feel like Sam's slave, don't you?

63BC 1 year, 10 months ago

The amount of hatred by folks on this board is really amazing.

And that's the word---hatred.

Thomas Bryce 1 year, 10 months ago

Agree with you Paul. Hate is the wrong word. Disgusted with him is more Like it.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 1 year, 10 months ago

He is addressing this problem head on starting with the taxpayers being held as slaves to the unions.

ATR920 1 year, 10 months ago

you must not understand what the words voluntary paycheck deduction mean?

kernal 1 year, 10 months ago

Cant, prehaps you don't understand the definition of slavery as well as the aforementioned voluntary paycheck deduction. I'm guessing you have never studied any post Civil War U.S. history.Otherwise, you'd know what kind of abhorent working conditions children and adults dealt with before the unions. The unions had a lot to do with your cushy life today.

deec 1 year, 10 months ago

China has up to 5 million slaves in their prison labor system. Many are religious and political dissidents. Why did the governor praise normalized trade with this slave-holding government if he is so concerned about slavery?

http://www.hpj.com/archives/2000/1011sampntrcnoeMRpmhtm.cfm

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/trade_outreach/convict_importations.xml

http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/trade/trade_outreach/convict_importations.xml

Larry Sturm 1 year, 10 months ago

Produce a slave state get rid of all unions.

Mike Ford 1 year, 10 months ago

63bc.....when one does what brownback has done they deserve criticism... having your head in the sand must make it hard to see this.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 10 months ago

Autie - The simple solution to that problem is entrepreneurialship. It's been staring us in the face since the beginning of commerce.

chootspa 1 year, 10 months ago

Only if you're one of the big boys writing the rules. Small businesses are also victims to the terrible policies in this state.

jhawkinsf 1 year, 10 months ago

Now that you've cleared that up, I'll just put a for sale on my independently owned small business. And all this time I thought I was successful.

chootspa 1 year, 10 months ago

I'm not saying you don't work hard and shouldn't be proud that you've managed to stay afloat and provide poverty to low middle class wages for your employees, but you're being squeezed like everyone else. When the middle class finds less money in their pockets after the tax burden shifts increasingly their way, I suspect they're not going to have as much to spend on you.

You don't have the ear of the governor to tell him what tax breaks you'd like him to propose, where you'd like him to build roads, or what sort of other competitive advantages he can pork your way. You don't literally go to conferences and write the bills they propose in the House. You just get to live with the consequences of those who do. Think those big boys really want competition? Think again.

kusp8 1 year, 10 months ago

Look, I disagree with most of what Brownback does, but this is a no brainer. This is one area where hippy liberals and evangelical conservatives can, and should, agree upon. Not only that, the more cooperation on non-controversial issues the more exposure and inevitable discussion about the contentious issues will occur between the groups. Unfortunately, in today's day and age, simple discussion between the left and right is rare and a productive conversation is even fewer and farther between.

So lay off Brownie.... On this one.

greenis 1 year, 10 months ago

Have to agree with kusp8:some issues are too important to politicize and human trafficking certainly qualifies.

merickson 1 year, 10 months ago

Thanks, all, for commenting. I thought I'd throw in one other piece of last night's talk with anti-slavery activist/expert Kevin Bales, for you to consider as you discuss this story:

During the Q-and-A session following the talk, one man went to the microphone and asked (I'm paraphrasing here) if perhaps certain other hardships in our country — say, students trapped under six-digit college loans they could never hope to pay off — might be considered a relative form of slavery.

Bales' response: No. He acknowledged that hardships are on a spectrum and there are other awful things besides slavery, but he said he thinks the term "slavery" should be reserved for when human beings are literally being held as property with no way to get out of the arrangement — no ability, even, to move to a worse situation. He said there's no such thing as "relative slavery."

So, just something to keep in mind. Discuss away.

Thanks,

Matt Erickson

KU reporter

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 10 months ago

It certainly doesn't qualify as chattel slavery, but living with a crushing debt that you can never repay, and can't get any relief from thru bankruptcy, and which will leave you perpetually living in poverty, or near poverty, certainly makes a person vulnerable to what's commonly referred to as wage slavery-- a condition that current Republican agendas promise for the vast majority of us.

Joe Blackford II 1 year, 10 months ago

indentured servitude ~ = student loan debt

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 10 months ago

The debt/deficit isn't wholly unimportant, but still mostly meaningless when compared to the real problems that confront us. And austerity hysteria will only make those very real problems much, much worse.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 1 year, 10 months ago

He does have a valid point about student loan debt. When universities offer BS degree fields preying on a students delusions of grandure then kick them to the curb after they have fleaced the kid and their families therein lies a real problem. Same thing goes for the credit card companies that also prey on the young.

chootspa 1 year, 10 months ago

That snow outside? It's coming from hell freezing over. I agree with you. Consumer debt is a huge problem, especially when targeted at the young. Student loans are a huge problem, especially since they're harder to discharge than just about any other sort of debt. BS for-profits can come in, set up shop overnight, and give some 18 year old a worthless degree and a lifetime of debt without so much as a slap on the wrist.

And here's where we're going to disagree - this is exactly why we need better regulations and a consumer protection agency with teeth.

UltimateGrownup 1 year, 10 months ago

Thanks to deec, above, for pointing out that China has millions of slaves. North Korea has a lot also. Some blacks are enslaved by Arabs in Sudan and Mauritania. And slavery was not ended in Russia until 1991 or so (think gulags). In the West, a significant percentage of prostitutes are slaves. Thanks to Governor Brownback, to Kevin Bales, and to KU for bringing this problem to light.

chootspa 1 year, 10 months ago

Although Brownback's economic policies are destructive toward most workers in this state, I agree that it's hyperbolic to call them "slavery" at this point.

However, policies on undocumented workers have the potential to rise to that point. "Self deportation" and "papers please" measures written by Kobach make it easier for employers to deprive undocumented (and documented) workers of rights and protections. Sometimes they can be used as threats toward domestic workers brought to this country under false pretenses. It's a common tactic to steal their passports and threaten to have them deported if they don't comply with demands.

ssteve1 1 year, 10 months ago

Boy do I hate Sam. I just really do hate him. Don't you hate him? I think we should all just hate him. Let's just hate hate hate hate. We don't need to offer fixes. Let's just hate. Then lawrence folks can be just like that guy from westboro that also hates everything.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 1 year, 10 months ago

I don't know him, so it wouldn't make sense to say that I hate him.

His policies are certainly going to lead to a lower quality of life for the great majority of Kansans, and a decrease in freedom of expression and association (as well as wages and benefits) for all public employees. Given such policies, I find no basis to respect him. But I don't hate him.

johnwoods 1 year, 10 months ago

I don't think anyone has said they hate Brownback (except for a few right leaning people putting words in the mouths of liberals, again), but feel that his policies of making the poor pay more in taxes and removing more services for the poor, lead to more human trafficking. Poor people will do what they need to to survive, and human trafficking is built on that.

love2fish_ks 1 year, 10 months ago

The irony of this 'slave' discussion in Lawrence is that there are instances of human trafficing and slavery less than 2 mi from campus.

webmocker 1 year, 10 months ago

Have you reported them to the police?

dwendel 1 year, 10 months ago

United States federal law

"Misprision of felony" is still an offense under United States federal law after being codified in 1909 under 18 U.S.C. § 4:

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This offense, however, requires active concealment of a known felony rather than merely failing to report it.

Richard Heckler 1 year, 10 months ago

Brownback and ALEC represent reinstating modern day slavery. They want all white and blue collar workers to make less money and to hell with the American dream.

I would like for Sam Brownback,his chief admin people and ALEC to traffic their way out of the state of Kansas.

happyrearviewmirror 1 year, 10 months ago

First do no harm. The white-savior industrial complex reeks of imperialism, especially when Kansans get involved. It's impossible to contribute to others if understanding and cultural sensitivity are missing. These virtues seem ones that most Kansans take as a badge of pride to flaunt their lack of.

Before they try to stop human trafficking Kansans should stop terrorizing random pedestrians on the streets of Lawrence with their frighteningly aggressive ignorance. Get a clue. You are not God's gifts, and lack of political and social awareness makes you poor candidates to help others. No one wants the demeaning charity of a bunch of hicks. The best way to help is often to respect others' boundaries and realize they are enjoying their autonomy and independence just fine. They'd prefer presumptuous strangers not molest them, thank you.

Few welcome strangers pawing all over their belongings and person; door-opening is often seen as sexist by those who hail from sophisticated places. Southern manners bite. To think we have the ability to help others is often to give ourselves way too much credit. Intent and effect are hardly the same, especially where ignorance and incompetence play big factors.

People with a savior complex have a big ego problem , and their motives for interfering in the lives of others are usually self-serving.

Phoghorn 1 year, 10 months ago

Happyrearviewmirror:

You frequently post about street harassment. Would you mind providing some specific examples of what you have witnessed? Most people who are handicapped (that I know of) appreciate it when someone holds a door, or reaches for something on a high shelf that they can not reach themselves. Same for pregnant women, people with armloads of stuff, etc.

I am sorry that you feel so bitter, but I would like you to provide specific examples. I am not trying to troll here, I am just curious what drives your crusade.

Phoghorn P.S. I am proud of my Southern/Midwestern manners.

chootspa 1 year, 10 months ago

Please buy my house when you move back, because I'm considering moving to a state that won't make my property and sales taxes skyrocket in exchange for ending the "slavery" of billionaires.

Thinking_Out_Loud 1 year, 10 months ago

Definition fail, TNrader. Those are neither the definitions of freedom nor slavery.

JayhawkFan1985 1 year, 10 months ago

Kansas also has a strong tradition of "good government." Brownback governs like a Kansas City or Chicago style political machine...you don't like it then I will squash you.

Orwell 1 year, 10 months ago

Shorter Brownback:

"Look! Over there!"

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