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The big story here is that Tea party conservatives really don't believe in freedom.
Every public union member ought to buy a "Don't tread on me" flag or bumper sticker.
"Gotland 1 day, 7 hours ago
It's called freedom and better than enslavement of non union citizens. "
Hey, Gotland, there's a country where your brave individualism won't be enslaved by public sector unions.
It's called Somalia.
"Liberal 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Are you speaking of the intellectual giants like yourself and Merrill...I am in awe of your intelligence and cower in the shadow of your brilliance.
Yes, I used a F.D.R. reference to support my case that public unions are damaging to society. They simply negotiate against the tax payers and you have provided no "cohesive thought" stating otherwise....lie...lie...lie"
Here's a cohesive thought. "They" (the people that teach our kids, police our streets, and fight our fires) are citizens and taxpayers, too. The bill in question stifles their 1st Amendment rights. No one has to join a public sector union, so their dues are voluntary. Why is the government interfering with that?
The answer is purely political. It is an attempt to quash support for the opposing party. This just the exercise of political power, and any attempt to justify it is a lie. And those supporting it are liars.
How many employees came forward and said they were coerced or intimidiated into joining or contributing to a union? Zero. Zip. Nada.
So you can a lying, selfish oaf who complains about unions, but expects their garbage to picked up regularly, the streets kept safe, and their kids taught. All because "you pay your taxes".
Public workers aren't union "thugs", they are teachers and cops and the firefighter that saves your butt after you fall asleep smoking on the couch. Next time, try calling one of the Koch brothers, they'll be there for you.
When higher salaries are paid to teachers, police, firefighters, and other public employees, nearly all of that money goes directly into the local economy. What about the exta money the wealthiest Kansans--the ones who are so vociferously opposed to union-negotiated wages--want to get for themselves at the expense of those public employees? A lot less would go into the local economy, and a lot more would go to second (and third, and fourth houses) in fancy locations, on foreign travel, on foreign luxury goods--that is, not in the local economy. So if the goal is to improve the Kansas economy, more money in the pockets of public employees is exactly the best way to go.
Economist Richard Freeman has written, "public sector unions can be viewed as using their political power to raise demand for public services, as well as using their bargaining power to fight for higher wages."
The millions spent by public-employee unions on ballot measures in states like California and Oregon, for instance, almost always support the options that would lead to higher taxes and more government spending. The California Teachers Association, for example, spent $57 million in 2005 to defeat referenda that would have reduced union power and checked government growth. And the political influence of such massive spending is of course only amplified by the get-out-the-vote efforts of the unions and their members.
This power of government-workers' unions to increase (and then sustain) levels of employment through the political process helps explain why, for instance, the city of Buffalo, New York, had the same number of public workers in 2006 as it did in 1950 — despite having lost half of its population (and thus a significant amount of the demand for public services).
"Liberal14 hours, 20 minutes ago
...When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable."
I see that you've picked up the wingnut talking point about FDR. It's funny how FDR was reviled by rightwingnuts, and now he's your hero.
And this is just cherry picking, FDR was only against strikes by public employees, which is not the topic of this letter or the HB in question.
Nice try, but please try to form a cohesive thought before posting. I know that is difficult for the intellectually lazy wingnuts in the echo chamber, but that is why the GOP lost the last election big time.
"Union Membership Continues Decline".
With 35.9% of government employees in unions compared to 6.6% of the private sector workforce, more than half of all union members are now in the public sector. That my friends says it all.
The founders of the labor movement viewed unions as a vehicle to get workers more of the profits they help create. Government workers, however, don’t generate profits. They merely negotiate for more tax money. When government unions strike, they strike against taxpayers. F.D.R. considered this “unthinkable and intolerable.”
Yes F.D.R. was a the 67th of the 66 middle-class hating cowards. I know he was only for the rich that is why he was against the "New Deal" oh wait the New Deal was his idea....what was he thinking then regarding Public sector unions.....He was thinking that this leads to corruption was he right about the new deal?...then maybe he was right about...
I see there are 66 middle-class hating cowards in the Kansas House.
"Cant_have_it_both_ways 14 hours, 1 minute ago
Play fair? Who is representing the children and parents against the teachers union?..."
Please, most teachers do a goodjob with the kids they're given.
Your hostility to teachers and public education is telling. Maybe if you had learned something in school you'd have a job, and not the time to post your predictable drivel.
They had no choice-- they are under orders from ALEC/Koch Bros to pass this thing.
Bill Passes 66-54
So public employees are able to endorse candidates who will line there pockets spending taxpayer money. the bottom line is any Union activity in the public sector is negotiated against taxpayers. This is the equivalent of congress voting for their own pay raises.
Unions in the private sector fine. Not in the public sector.
Historically the democratic party was against public sector unions....What happened?....simple as always follow the money.
Declining Union Membership and Attacks on Workers: Pages from the Neoliberal Playbook
January 30, 2013 by Robert Pollin
"Last week, the U.S. Labor Department reported that the percentage of U.S. workers who were union members in 2012 had fallen to a 97-year low of 11.3 percent of the workforce. "
"the U.S. Labor Department estimates that, among full time workers, the average annual earnings of union members was $49,000, while that for comparable non-union workers was $38,600. That is, if you are a union member, you will be earning about 27 percent more than a non-union member doing a comparable job."
"(Since 1972) while wages fell, average labor productivity in the United States rose by 111 percent. That is, the total basket of goods and services that average U.S. workers produced in 2011 is more than double what they could manage in 1972. Their reward has been 7 percent pay cut."
We all have been paid less for years, now let us pay less for goods and services, end unions.
Blatantly hypocritical. How can passage of such a bill be justified after SCOTUS ruled that "corporate personhood" is legitimate when it comes to PAC's? Another good justification for instituting a Minister of Common Sense.
The repub party,Koch Brothers, ALEC are waging war on salaries for white and blue collar workers. IF they are successful in doing away with unions, workers in the USA will see a dramatic reduction in wages across the board for blue and white collar workers.
Union or not reduction in wages across the board is the primary objective.
Do you want to work for less? Unions are responsible for good wages in the USA and:
Who wants to work for less?
How can lower wages pay back college loans?
I am a not a wealthy person, I cheer the death of all unions particularly public ones.
There are at least 12 other states with radical right wing governors such as Brownback trying to pull off the very same agenda. It's a Koch/ALEC orchestrated movement.
Explain how lower wages make an economy strong and resilient?
Are YOU willing to work for way less?
Why isn't corp USA cutting CEO and BOD wage packages by 75% instead of hitting on worker wages? CEO's could easily survive on a 75% pay cut.
Why isn't corp USA cutting golden parachutes 100%?
Why isn't corp USA cutting special interest campaign donations?
Why isn't corp USA cutting corp jets from their budgets?
Why isn't corp USA eliminating retirement pay from the wealthy CEO's and BOD's retirement
IF all USA workers refused to go to work for 60 days the nation and tons of those in the 1% would likely be filing bankruptcy. Workers are the most important piece of the economic pie.
What the media fails to spell out is this bill and ALEC are all about reducing wages on workers across the USA.
Why do anti American Republicans want USA white and blue collar workers to work for less money? So USA corporations can show larger profits = another republican big government facist activity.
Republicans are not only selfish,insensitive,Anti American they are flushing the American Dream down the toilet.
What about American Legislative Exchange Council/ALEC?
ALEC currently claims more than 250 corporations and special interest groups as private sector members. While the organization refuses to make a complete list of these private members available to the public, some known members include:
the Corrections Corporation of America/.
Time Warner Cable/.
Phillip Morris International/.
along with a host of right-wing think tanks and foundations.
Man, the fact-free hysteria is getting deep.
Play fair? Who is representing the children and parents against the teachers union? Do the children and their parents have any say in what is going on inside the NEA? I guess you like the police and fire holding their employers hostage when negotiation time comes around...who has the taxpayers backs? Is there anyway to get rid of worthless employees inside a union? Is there a performance based system or is it business a usual? Anyone that supports these bullying tactics invented by thugs, might re-think their position.
The brazen overreach of the far right will create a backlash, you can count on that.
But how much damage to the social, economic and educational fabric of Kansas will be done before that backlash reverses this push to a Dickensian plutocracy? How many talented young Kansans will flee at the first opportunity? How many people living outside of Kansas looking to move here will say, "no thank you, even Mississippi looks better than Kansas!!?"
If a member of any one of these unions had gone to the State House and made a plea that their dues were not being used in a manner that was representative of them, or were gouging their paychecks, maybe a bill such as this should be entertained.
But, big money has requested this bill to "crush unions" in our RTW state where they have little power anyway. So it is simply a request made by selfish people who are afraid that they just might have to play fair.
It makes you wonder if any of these legislatures ever had a favorite teacher?
Seems to me that the unions perform a sort of extortion from their members, then establish the ideology in a one size fits all manner. This vote is more about the rights of the members who have zero to very little say in how their forced payments are spent. This is a good thing for the workers.
The House will likely vote on this bill today. House leadership has promised extra security and urged legislators to take off their name tags or use the back stairs!
Note to yahoos: If you need extra security, anonymity, and a back-stairs escape route, maybe you aren't really doing the will of the people.
So teachers, police, firefighters and street cleaners aren't allowed to have a voice, but WalMart, BCBS, Koch's companies, Dillons, HyVee and others get to be heard via the Kansas Chamber of Commerce? "Free speech for me but not for thee"
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