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Witch hunt. If she's smart, she'll leave jerkwater, right-wing Brownbackistan and obtain a license to practice in a more progressive state.
This is what would happen here if the religious fanatics and ultra-conservatives had their way:
What a discredit to her profession. She failed to perform the most basic of required exams necessary to protect her patients. As a group of medical peers, the state medical board found she breached her duty and thereby her oath as a physician. I am not sure how it would be in the public interest to have any physician's medical license reinstated without them first acknowledging that they were in violation of the standard of care.
"As a group of medical peers"
Bikers on dope.
"As a group of right wing fanatical republican nut cases under the guise as medical peers" is what she is competing with to practice medicine in the best interest of the women involved. The wackos have nothing but their flawed ideology to represent.
in other words as she is an abortion provider, she needs to go down? spoken like a true borwnyback and anti abortion speaker. get over it.
No. I have spent most of my life as prochoice and did not vote in this last election. I am just able to put politics/ideology aside an look at the case based upon the merits. Kansas does not need shoddy doctors. We trust our doctors with our health and our families health. I would expect a state medical board to uphold high standards regardless of their personal views on abortion.
Oh and did I mention that several physicians recused themselves rather than go along with the board's decision? Believe me, there wasn't a consensus and the decision wasn't unanimous.
"I would expect a state medical board to uphold high standards regardless of their personal views on abortion."
Understand, Biker, that's not the case with this particular board. Brownback stacked it and packed it. Don't you think it's just slightly suspicious that an "expert witness" (who had no connection with the case) was brought in from a Catholic university at state expense to testify at the hearing of an abortion provider? Did it ever occur to you that, although her license was revoked, she was never charged with "malpractice"? Didn't it seem odd that her own defense witnesses were not allowed to testify? The vast majority of physicians who lose their licenses are sued at some point for malpractice prior to having their licenses taken. Did you notice that she hadn't and the initial complaint came from a radical anti-abortion group that is, itself, on governmental domestic terrorist watch lists?
This entire thing was politically motivated from the git go.
The disciplinary case against Neuhaus examined how she concluded that each of the patients had serious mental health issues and that an abortion was advisable.
The law at the time required Tiller to obtain an independent second opinion that a patient faced significant and permanent harm if the pregnancy continued.
---... which she failed to do properly.
ironically, just below this statement I have an ad for a childhood depression study.
the child is the innocent one, stop killing the innocent one.
" the law at the time required Tiller to obtain an independent second opinion.."
TILLER- not Neuhaus.
Truth is, gnome, she had lined up as a defense witness the physician that developed the system that she used to determine her decisions and recommendations. This system is widely accepted and used throughout the country. The board refused to allow him to testify.
Who they DID allow to testify was an "expert witness" who had no connection with the case whatsoever, from a CATHOLIC university and testified at state expense. Doesn't seem to me that the board did a very good job of impartially determining her "adequacy" in those exams.
I think you need to see my comment below.
Actually, she had defense witnesses to prove that she had performed adequate examinations. The Board refused to allow them to testify.
This was despite the fact that the Board allowed a whack-a-doodle "expert witness" to testify for the state. Oh and by the way, the state paid $70,000 for this "expert witness" to testify.
"KSBHA agents flew in from Georgetown University a psychiatrist, who stated under oath that she could not imagine a mental health condition that would warrant an abortion, under any circumstances. This purported “expert witness” cost the Kansas taxpayers over $70,000 to arrive at this opinion..." (Georgetown is a CATHOLIC university and is rabidly anti-abortion in it's philosophy. Given that Georgetown is in Washington DC, and his ties to the Catholic community in DC, I have no doubt this is someone that Sam Brownback, himself, arranged to be brought in.)
These are the things you don't hear in the main stream press.
"Actually, she had defense witnesses to prove that she had performed adequate examinations. The Board refused to allow them to testify.
This was despite the fact that the Board allowed a whack-a-doodle "expert witness" to testify for the state."
Yep, and that would be the definition of a "kangaroo court"
There are a lot from these groups you don't hear about!
"Actually, she had defense witnesses to prove that she had performed adequate examinations. The Board refused to allow them to testify. "
Why didn't she petition the court to force them to allow the witnesses at that time?
Because this wasn't a court hearing. It was a hearing before a licensure board. It had to play out before it could go to court (which is what it's doing now).
" 'The awful irony is the court is bending over backward to insure an abortionist is not denied the due process that thousands of unborn children and their mothers were denied in Kansas abortion clinics,' said Kathy Ostrowski, legislative director for Kansans for Life."
On the contrary, Ms.Ostrowski, Kristin Neuhaus is an adult person with the full legal rights of a citizen of the US and deserves to have her Constitutional right to a fair hearing upheld. As to your assertion regarding the women who are patients in these clinics, there has been no determination by any court that at any time their Constitutional rights were abridged. On the contrary, YOU forget that abortion is legal in this country and the fact that they had a right to access it is proof that their rights were upheld.
Not every person in the U.S. is entitled to every Constitutional right. People under 18 years old do not have the right to vote. No right is absolute, all the time, in every situation.
Same with abortion. If we're discussing minors ( a grey area), and we're talking late term abortions (another grey area), we're talking about things that should be debated in open forums. Obviously, courts should have the ultimate authority. Making broad statements of fact that may or may not be true aren't helpful to honest discussions.
And you think that what Kathy Ostrowski said wasn't "making broad statements of fact"?
You are correct. I should have mentioned that as well. My fault.
To bad she won't get a fair hearing, as the wackos have already proven. The wackos on the board should be the ones going to court to defend their lively hoods. They are the culprits.
They shouln't get a free pass while destroying this women's ability to practice her medical profession and earn a living.
I really hope that if she can't get a fair hearing in the Kansas courts (which is actually possible she may. Brownback doesn't own the state courts...yet.) that she takes this to the Federal courts as a civil rights case.
"that she takes this to the Federal courts as a civil rights case."
How? What federal law guarantees a person may practice any certain occupation in America other than those on the constitution? You can't just walk into a federal court and say "She has the civil right to be a doctor, can you make the board reinstate her license?".
Your going to have to do a lot of stretching to even make it look like the feds have any authority in this case.
Liberty275- I am apalled you don't have the answer to this! DEPRIVATION OF LIBERTY!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you one of the people who thinks doctors should not have to be licensed to practice? Or is that the other "Liberty"? I get you confused.
Actually, there WOULD be a civil rights basis for this as it would go to a denial of a Constitutional right to due process.
"The awful irony is the court is bending over backward to insure an abortionist is not denied the due process that thousands of unborn children and their mothers were denied in Kansas abortion clinics," said Kathy Ostrowski, legislative director for Kansans for Life, who attended Theis' brief hearing Friday.
Well said. The mental anguish that is life long on the women that have abortions is much greater than avoiding the killing of children that don't have the power to defend themselves. It is a great grief and great regret to know that you have ended an innocent life, when you could have been more responsible and saved and supported a life instead. (Even if your life is at risk to save them).
The mentally / emotionally damaged people that have supported abortion in the past, often seek to cover their guilt by deciding to have no regard for innocent life, or if they have dealt with their error, they stand strongly against the practice of of the killing of children (abortion). There is always a better answer than late term abortion, if you try to find it. It's not too late to change the direction of your life. Kansans for Life is a great resource for help. A good church that supports life, is also a great resource for help and spiritual help, to do the right thing. I think that there is single mother support in Lawrence as well.
You are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
Much of what Ms. Ostrowski (and her supporters) are saying is reminiscent of the old saying, "There oughta be a law..."
Well, there "oughta be a law" against people imposing their unscientific religious beliefs on others who don't believe as they do. Oh wait, there is. It's called the First Amendment.
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