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Notice the wording: "crossing my own street." If it truly were her private property, Lauren's problems would be solved. Another example of government failure.
And if the police were privately employed, she could simply station a few of her employees on the road. Of course, that assumes she can afford to hire them, and that the wrong-doers don't pay them to look the other way. After all, in your libertarian utopia, its all about the individual and his or her self-interest.
Equally importantly, in your utopia of privately-owned dirt roads, the rest of us won't be able to drive anywhere without first seeking permission from and paying tolls to all those private road owners. We've had this discussion. Your brand of every-man-for-himself libertarianism has been rejected by the voters and all other thinking people.
L_One, Are you a member of the Freedmen? Posse comitatas?
K. Just checking.
Even if he doesn't know what he is, it is obvious he is a Libertarian with an Anarcho-capitalism political philosophy.
Nitpick much? It is quite common for people to say "our neighborhood" and "our street". It is not meant to be construed as actual ownership but as a sense of belonging to a group which cares about their property and family.
"Her street really belongs to nobody at all and thus there is little she can do individually about it."
No, it belongs to everybody, and because of that, she doesn't have to do anything as an individual, she can call the police which, again, work for everybody. That's the whole point of belonging to society, which seems lost on libertarians.
Actually, when you say, "Notice the wording," you ARE nitpicking at someone's choice of words. If you want to point out the "subtle reality" of them, you don't have to spend words asking your audience to notice HOW she wrote it. Instead, just say what you mean.
You're not very bright Liberty_Belle. Your candidate, some guy named Gary Johnson, received 0.98% of the vote.
Again, thinking people have rejected your loony ideas. No one wants to build and maintain the road in front of their house or pay a toll to their neighbors in order to drive down the street. That's just nutty.
I don't see them much here, but down south, there are a lot of gated communities (mostly retirement) where people pay a monthly fee to get into the gate and if you don't have a pass, you don't get in. It's all private property so the same fee that gets them into the gate also pays to maintain the streets and cut the grass, etc.
It isn't as nutty as you might think.
Apologies if my jargon is not up to snuff. I want to reiterate that my use of verbage is not the point of this letter. I pay the property taxes on my home, call the neighborhood "my neighborhood", and shovel the public sidewalk to avoid fines. I really don't think it is incorrect to say "crossing my own street." Please get over yourself.
Don't let Liberty_One bother you, everybody else gets it. Unfortunately, he will never get over himself.
It's sad that he has nothing better to do than post irrelevant rants on ljworld. Kind of pathetic really.
Except that she doesn't want to own the street privately, she wants the government to enforce the traffic laws, so that it's safe.
But, you're not "on her side", if your version isn't the one she wants.
I agree about making it personal - if only we all refrained from that.
Actually, her letter illustrates why government sometimes have to step in and make and enforce laws since some members of society choose to be irresponsible and put the lives of others in jeopardy. If we all behaved, we wouldn't need as much government.
Totally not germane to the topic, L1. You can not, in any way, respond positively to her post because you are so enamored of the Libertarian "Utopia" which has never worked and can not work in a practical society. Wishin' and hopin' are fine, but compromise and working together work nearly all the time. You have a great mind, but it seems to be directed at creating perfection in governance when you know perfectly well that humans will never achieve that perfection. The best we can do is work at it, try to understand everyone's situation, and have a government that helps us when we can not, or will not, help ourselves. That government, in this case, is tasked with protecting our property and our liberty from death or injury by patrolling the street and issuing appropriate fines for those who ignore the public, or individual, if you will, safety and property rights.
"You assume government is made of angels or robots and not actual human beings also capable of misbehavior."
Who is assuming this?
Either I missed something, or really it's you that's making the assumptions around here.
The same problem exists in North Lawrence. I believe a lack of enforcement is the issue.
Just go outside and start shooting........you will get 12 LPD cars in minutes...we do not have a shortage of LE, only a shortage of good management for our LPD.
Perhaps you may not wish to take that advise since the common citizens end up shot dead. Olin knew he would be shot in the back if he left his bedroom..that's part of what our ex-terrorist expert taught these current LE officers in his 500 hour training sessions.
Police respond to gunshots at former chief’s house
Incident treated as medical emergency
Lawrence police early Thursday responded to the home of former Police Chief Ron Olin after dispatchers received a call saying he was having a reaction to medication and he was firing a gun.
According to an audio recording of police and dispatcher radio traffic by Journal-World reporting partner Mike Frizzell, who operates Operation 100 News and monitors overnight police activity in the area, officers were sent at 2:46 a.m. Thursday to the southwest Lawrence home owned by Olin and his wife, Sylvie.
After a dispatcher said a person with a gun had fired five shots, police in 12 cars were sent to the home, as well as an ambulance.
Last night I saw 3 police vehicles, the new SUVs, sitting in the parking lot at the train station on 7th. WHY??The train only runs through here twice a day and NOT at 9:'30 p.m.They should be out patrolling, not just sitting and gossipping.
"sitting and gossipping(sic)"
How do you know they weren't working on a report? Or discussing how they handled a call with the supervisor on hand to point out what they could have done better?
How do you know they weren't there on a call and you caught the end of it seeing only the officers left after everyone else has cleared out?
Sounds like your speculating too.
Asking questions isn't speculating. Making a statement is.
I know what to get you for Christmas... a dictionary.
Or sharing a nice big box of jelly filled donuts. Yum.
Think I just saw somewhere where they have come out with a remote control automobile.
Some Russian would invent an app that overrides the queue and safe distance parameters and the roads would still be a free for all.
For traffic control devices, you need to present the issue to the traffic safety commission. They are appointed to review these type of issues. Go the the City of Lawrence website and contact the appropriate city staff.
For speeding, you can contact traffic control with the LPD and they will respond by observing the street. However, compliance is 9/10ths of the law. If people do not observe what is posted, it is hard to force them to be more respectful of the neighborhood.
What about enforcement?
If the police ticket and fine people for speeding, it should discourage the practice, right?
Really jafs? You actually believe that? Ticketing and fining is simply a revenue stream for the city. It's the "tax" people pay for speeding and nothing more. It doesn't prevent them from going right out and doing it all over again.
So, negative consequences have no effect on behavior?
That seems at odds with behavioral psychology to me.
I don't know about the rest of you, but the risk of getting hit with a big fat fine tends to keep the lead weight out of my right foot.
The consequences of speed traps is people memorizing where the traps are and buying radar detectors.
See the post above yours.
It's an empirical question--does the current level of enforcement of speed limit laws elicit enough of a response to function as a punisher of "speeding" behavior?
Who knows--it may be the case that this contingency, with whatever one gets out of speeding (in terms of a positive consequence, i.e. positive or negative reinforcement; e.g., a feeling of enjoyment, or the avoidance of being late to an appointment, etc.) coming as a far more probable consequence than does the imposition of a fine, exerts too little control on the behavior of drivers to be an effective punisher.
In case you didn't notice, though, this still leaves open the possibility that stepping up enforcement might effect a decrease in speeding.
Now that the town is making everyone use city issued trash cans, use all of the old metal cans you and your neighbors have left. Buy some extra if need be. Place them strategically in the street so a vehicle can be able to maneuver around them easily at say 20mph and fill them with sand.
Maybe even ring them with paint filled balloons so anyone that does speed and smacks into one or more of the cans, will then bear the blotches of shame on their vehicle.
Drivers will eventually get the hint and you'll have much less traffic on your street.
I wonder if Lauren has taken a moment to contact LPD to discuss her concerns. She did not indicate one way or another. It seems to me that some respectful dialog would be a good starting point.
My experience with LPD is that they have been prompt and professional when assistance has been requested, and that if one of their officers is up to something inappropriate, they deal with it quickly and effectively.
Perhaps a call to the LPD public affairs desk at (785) 830-7404 would get her in contact with an appropriate supervisor to see if there could be some extra patrols, especially during school hours.
In my experience with LPD, they're pleasant enough.
But, they're not set up for preventive activity, for the most part. All they can do is enforce the laws once broken.
It's an unfortunate aspect of our law enforcement system.
Actually, they have a range of options available, including enhanced presence for observation/enforcement; temporary or permanent radar speed signs [these are about 80% effective in reducing speeding, and can help collect data to target resources for improved traffic engineering]; or perhaps forming a neighborhood watch group to assist the police with gathering information and data. As Cait noted, just writing a ticket is fairly ineffective at reducing an overall pattern within a neighborhood. There are other strategies available that can be effective. A good place to start is dialog with law enforcement.
I haven't seen any radar speed signs in residential neighborhoods in Lawrence.
A neighborhood watch group is a collection of citizens who gather together, which can be helpful, but it's not the police acting, it's the community.
As I said, in my experience, the police aren't generally acting as preventive agents.
They had a temporary radar speed sign up on our street for quite some time, likely due to the number of complaints that were generated. The neighborhood watch group works with the police to help be an extra set of eyes. Again, dialog is the place to start.
That works in the same way that fines do, though, right? It's the fear of getting caught and punished that deters speeders.
As in all things, it is not that simple. Some research on the matter http://www.umm.edu/news/releases/speeding_ticket.htm suggests that tickets and fines do not have the deterrent effect that one might think. There is a group of drivers who are very good, and who receive few moving violations; and another group who are very bad, who receive a lot of moving violations.
Evidence of good compliance has been shown when there are "friendly" reminders [example: the electronic radar signs have been shown to be effective]. Evidence of good compliance is also shown where there is a high probability of getting caught.
Don't get me wrong, tickets and fines will always be part of enforcement. But there are more cost effective tools out there.
As I said, if they enforced the laws more aggressively, it would be more effective, since a high probability of getting caught is a good deterrent.
Does your sign actually have radar enforced speed limits, or is it just a sign?
The one they had in our neighborhood was on a trailer and had a fixed sign with the speed limit, below which was the electronic radar portion that displayed "your speed". There are different varieties of these, some of which collect data about how many vehicles are exceeding the speed limit. This information can be used for traffic engineering and targeted enforcement.
The problem with substantially increasing enforcement is that it is quite expensive. It takes lots of staff to really get much impact, and staff is the greatest expense in virtually all law enforcement agencies. Alternative strategies can be just as effective at lower cost.
I imagine if the signs aren't combined with actual enforcement, they won't be as effective.
And, I'm not at all sure you're right about enforcement - when I see police officers driving around town, ignoring traffic violations, it seems to me it wouldn't be that hard for them to enforce them. I think it's more of a culture issue here.
They don't all know the actual laws and ordinances. I've had to cite specific ones to the officers and show them in print. They had never seen them before.
People do cut through there and maybe the police could raise some funds to pay for the new rec center by setting up shop there, but I have to say........l drive down Kentucky Mon-Fri when the school lights are flashing and have noticed that a large amount of the cars that speed through the school zone are ones with young children in them..many a mini vans.....so, as I am sure the parents who speed through the school zone don't want people to speed through their neighborhoods, why would it not matter to them when they speed through a school zone (and neighborhood) when little kiddies are walking to school?
With unsecured children and a magazine propped on the steering wheel. Love the folks with both hands at 11 and 1 oclock on the wheel dutifully holding their "smart" phone.
I drive through a school zone every morning and there are cops out with speed guns about once a month. I've seen as many as 4 cops working the speed trap.
Have you seen anybody get pulled over for speeding?
The City already installed speed humps near the bend of 8th/9th and Cardinal Dr ...
I do not live in that intersection.
Nah, dollars to donuts the street in question is Lawrence Avenue. I don't know about during the daytime but I often see a police car sitting on the stretch between 6th and 9th Street at night.
I wonder how many people who have multiple close calls with automobiles fail to stop and look both ways before crossing the street?
Let us not forget what emergency personnel go through when dealing with an accident. Especially cleaning up the victums so needlessly killed, Or about the rehab hospitals dealing with the severly injured. Have you heard the commercial for a funeral home that says: Be careful, we can wait.
A few speed bumps can't cost all that much. Take up a collection from your neighbors and send the money to city hall with a note asking for additional speed bumps. I'm sure they will get right on it as they truly care about whether or not you get rear-ended while pulling into your driveway.
Also, if you have ongoing problems almost being rear-ended, you might want to check your brake lights.
and fun...you can't forget about the fun.
The streets of Lawrence are extremely frightening and unsafe. It's hard to feel safe in public when surrounded on all sides by aggressive, molesting ignorance.
If you think things are bad in Lawrence, stay far, far away from Missouri.
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