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To maintains American's commitment to continuous war and domination of all world cultures, we need an endless supply of compliant participants. Commonly referred to as armed service members. JROTC should be banned at all schools and Peace should be taught for credit. Learning how to build a house or make water safe to drink is far more worthy and you can get some exercise as well. Getting fit to swing a hammer is far superior to learning how to bring the hammer down on a fellow human being.

jj14 7 months ago

I was thinking the opposite of what you said until I read your entire post. Well stated - you changed my mind on this issue.

reality_check79 7 months ago

If you don't feel the need to stand behind our troops, feel free to stand in front of them... hope you never have to see what the 1% is willing to do so you can have your house, unemployment, welfare, and even idiotic opinions!!!

Armored_One 7 months ago

I took 3 years of JROTC in high school. There was no teaching of combat skills, only simple things, like learning to address superior officers with respect. How to pay attention to details. Ethics, codes of conduct, respect and integrity were also taught.

You, toe, are a fool if you think those kinds of things shouldn't be taught. They certainly won't be taught in a PE class, or English, or basically any other class. ROTC classes are maintained by military standards and are taught by current or retired military personnel.

Building principles are already taught in high school. It's called shop class. If you want your child exposed to it with greater depth, than convince them to volunteer for Habitat for Humanity.

If you have an issue with the military, then simply say so and get it out in the open, instead of blasting a class in school that teaches things that kids HAVE to know for the real world. 99% of high school is primer for college, not real world application. Understanding the ethics behind Beowulf will not help them get a job, but understanding the chain of command, so to speak, and knowing how to speak to their managers, supervisors, et cetera definately will.

Yes, my perspective is biased. But at least I am man enough to flat out say it and take no shame in admitting it. Are you? Although, if you are female, are you woman enough to admit it? My wife is, since she was in the same ROTC program as I was in high school.

Hepburn 7 months ago

I participated in JROTC and consider myself a complete liberal. I agree with Armored_One.

cutthroat717 7 months ago

GROAN

skinny 7 months ago

Toe, you have obviously lived a sheltered life. You need to get out and travel abroad before making such silly comments!

reality_check79 7 months ago

Wow!!! Pathetic, 75% of kids are not eligible to serve in the military.... It is a sad day for this society!!!! I'm embarrassed

PeterHancock 7 months ago

Interesting comments. Kelley did note a common misconception. He says junior ROTC is not a recruiting program. Calls it a "leadership" program. That was news to me too. Some participants eventually go into military, but many do not. Much like the rest of the student body. He says it emphasizes concepts like discipline, decisiveness, responsibility.

oldbaldguy 7 months ago

junior ROTC is a good program, it is an alternative for some kids who have never had organization in their life. some go on into the military, but I bet it is not many. toe you are entitled to your opinion, but you are naive if you really think, the military is unnecessary. i do not regret my time in the Army, there were days when i wished i was somewhere else. i served because i wanted to and the people i met were much more interesting than anyone i ever ran in to in college or after the service.

Curtis Lange 7 months ago

I was a member of JROTC in high school and AFROTC at KU for awhile. It is a great program that should be available to everyone. Why there isn't a JROTC program in Lawrence is mind boggling. Saying that, counting it as a PE credit seems asinine.

Armored_One 7 months ago

Counting PE towards graduation credits is no less inane, Curtis. I never did figure out why it counts as a PE credit, personally, but I wasn't all that concerned either way when I was in high school.

I've tried a couple of times to get some form of a JROTC program in the Lawrence high schools but deaf ears would have been more productive. You'd figure with Leavenworth being as close as it is, it shouldn't be a massive problem.

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