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They're already there.
And as long as they continue to give exams, there will always be prayer in schools.
No. You college-caged hairless apes are under too much stress to be near them. After the most unfortunate Virginia Tech incident, I'd be too worried about monkey see, monkey do.
The well trained security guards should be packing, though.
Are you willing to pass a tax increase to pay for them? If not, who gets laid off to make room for these insecurity personnel?
So... what you're saying is that when someone goes to the welfare office, that person is given a gun, and sent to patrol a school?
What would the hourly rate for this be? What kind of training would you expect to be given before beginning such a job? Am I the only one who gets the giggles from the moronic nature of your comment?
No, you're not.
Good question for the NRA.
Like the ones they had at Columbine?
Do you REALLY think that if some one wants to bring a gun into ANY place that says "No guns" that a little sign is going to stop them? The only thing those signs do, is prevent law abiding citizens from carrying there because they are the only ones who WILL abide by it. A criminal who wants to rob a store at gunpoint is not going to turn around at a sign and put the gun back, in his mind he has already gone past the point of no return.
I think you missed his point Just_as_if. If you don't know what the term "tongue in cheek" means that was it.
What you two fail to miss is that, by simply having the sign there, we have options we wouldn't otherwise have.
Yes, those options "simply" include being able to call the police and have that person removed for nothing more than having a gun on our premises. But you have no idea of how beneficial that can be.
You guys can make fun of it all you want. But, from personal experience, I know it can actually make a difference.
If it's your place of business, you can simply ask them to leave and call the police if they don't, trespassing and all.
So why can't a university set their own policy and do the same thing?
Public University. Private Business.
Just because it's a public university doesn't mean that they don't have rules of conduct or that everyone is admitted to all events or locations. They don't admit everyone to degree programs. Housing may be separated by gender, GPA, or marital status. Classes are not open for unauthorized auditing. Special events are ticketed.
I repeat - why can't the university establish their own policy, just as the law currently allows?
A public university should not be able to make a law that conflicts with a person's constitutional right. Courts across the country have been reaffirming that concealed carry is a constitutional right, even in Illinois! A private business can ask someone to leave for any reason, even if that person feels they are just exercising their free speech. Your constitutional rights are protected publicly, but not as heavily privately.
Should have re-worded that, A public university should not be able to make a "rule or policy" that conflicts with a person's constitutional right.
I'm sure there was a sign in the school in which no one was allowed to protect those kids. You folks are living in a dream world that is getting people KILLED! Don't any of you understand that or are you so head strong in your beliefs that the toll is ok?
You don't get sarcasm, Just_as_if, do you?
Well trained security guards? I have never seen one or met one.
Old security guards with guns are usually retired police officers, but I would be very surprised to see an off duty officer working parttime as a security guard since most departments frown on their officers working part time when off duty. Don't want a tired officer on the job.
Security guards in the lawrence judicial building are on duty sheriff deputies; I don't know where else in Lawrence an armed security guard is currently used.
No, not concealed ones, but allow students to carry exposed guns in western style holsters and bullet belts for revolvers, and extra clip holders for automatic pistols. Also install gun racks inside classroom so students and instructors can stash their M15/16'S, AK-47's and Bushmasters. All of this will proove that Kansas is proud of it's Wild West heritage and why not, this was "the style" back in the 1860's. By the way, who ever heard of any mass murder school shootings back then, proving that the Frenchie Wayne LaPierre is correct when he said "more guns are the answer".
Archie Bunker on Gun Control
I love that "Bushmaster" has become just as much of a buzzword for the anti-gun crowd as "assault rifle."
Yet another example of the extreme gun fetishists trying to force guns into every aspect of society.
This goes beyond free access. This is bordering on forced gun presence and coercion to arm every aspect of society.
The gun fetishists view common sense restriction on military style arms as a slippery slope to dictatorship (or even dictatorship itself) and coffins full of dead children as the price we pay for this "freedom", burnt offerings to their fetish the gun god.
If they have a concealed carry license, then sure. This isn't an intelligent area of discussion, though. Too much emotional triggers here, very little data to support them.
Concealed weapons are already on campus particularly if you follow the campus definition of a weapon. Do I think concealed carry permit holders should be allowed to carry on campus? Absolutely. Why is a college campus any different from anywhere else. Crime doesn't stop at the campus border.
An 18-22 year old that has been drinking and not thinking -- NO WAY!!
Since you have to be 21 to get CCW permit 60% of your group are already unqualified. Of the remaining 21/22 year olds, very few would be interested. Best estimate is there might be 4 or 5 students who would take the CCW class then carry.
Another estimate I have heard is 40 to 60 weapons already stored or carried on campus. Illegally of course.
Most college drinking occurs off campus, especially in private residences where a concealed carry is allowed. Please tell me all about these non-existent cases of drunk students with concealed carry shooting up house parties.
Sorry, fred, you'll have to wait for those stats AFTER students can legally carry guns on campus.
Ah, for the good old days when nobody had guns on campus except the national guard. That always turned out well.
None of the students killed at Kent State were old enough to own a gun, but do you really think things would have gone better if the crowd of angry protesters was armed with more than rocks? Really?
I can see a KU LAS student having to take an Organic Chemistry course for his major , taking a mid-term and not remembering his Grignard Reactions or Functional Groups, getting frustrated and snapping off a few Glock 9 rounds, seriously.
And I can easily see his classmate or professor being the one to stop him. Fun sharing fantasies, eh rabbit?
What is the intent of allowing concealed weapons on campus??? Is it the hope that if an incident occurred like the one at Virginia Tech that all the armed ones will be able to fire back??? More than likely there will be more bloodshed due to the assumptions who the assailant is and all the poor shooters firing at anything that moves.
What type of guns will be allowed, Uzis, Tech9s, AK47s???? What if the pepertrator has a bazooka, hand grenades, etc??
America needs to understand what is needed for gun control and enforce it!! More and more tragedies will happen if this country does not seriously take steps to resolve this problem.
There are to many knuckleheads like the NRA, destroying our country's appearance by spouting off the only ammendment in the constitution they know and is short enough for them to read.
The University of Kansas is an institution for learning and education and is not an institution for gun carrying idiots who are a threat to themselves and others.
Stop the Violence America with a revised gun control policy that works, will be enforced, and saves lives!!!!
This is a great example of emotional fact-less arguments that are the only reason this issue is an issue at all.
Come back when you research the requirements and training that comes with a concealed carry license.
and as the hystericals [as above] keep spouting, the NRA keeps adding lots of members, and gun sales go up as real people realize they need to be able to defend themselves within the law. these real people get the classes, get the CCW, and value the second amendment protections in their personal choices.
you guys, keep on being hysterical, you're actually increasing NRA membership and gun sales it seems. people hear your talk, don't trust Mr. Obama and the democrat leaders on this, so they figure they better take matters into their own hands as they see real danger loom.
in your own twisted way, you're actually helping America.
Gun sales go up, but gun ownership has actually gone down. Fewer people collecting a higher number of guns. I'm sure that will end well.
gun ownership is down? really? so...why is everybody's undies in a bunch? How many guns can one NRA RAY fire at a time?
People on both "sides" tend to make ridiculous pronouncements and warnings about apocalyptic conditions due to the other "sides'" foolishness. It leads to a war of meaningless bullet points.
I don't see an apocalypse occurring as a result of gun ownership. I tend to see an apocalypse on the horizon more due to power being held in the hands of dishonest, greedy, robber barons and politicians. I see it in the willingness of the "masses" to create ever increasing masses which continue to overrun the planet with need and further concentrate power. I'm sure THIS will end well.
Thank you for illustrating exactly why a larger concentration of guns in a shrinking, yet politically more extreme group of people might cause some concern. It's not the concept of gun ownership, but the fantasy of violent revolution that I find troubling.
Most people don't know the law. They only think they do until something happens and find out that is not how the law works. The loss of 28 people in Connecticut, more in Columbine, and in Denver, does not make someone hysterical but frustrated.
Some people criticize the actions of the suicide bombers in the Middle East and the loss of innocent people over there- How is the Connecticut incident any different???
If those real people want America to not be like what goes on in the middle east - Then instead of going to the local gun dealer to get the last Uzi, encourage your congressman on a realistic gun control policy!!
Dillon will pay $10 toward your first year membership in the NRA!!
For a second there, I was worried you had just volunteered me for something!
We are on the road back to the days of the Wild West. Anyone for a return to Dodge City and the 1860's? To all the macho types who think a concealed hand gun - in a teacher's desk or under a professor's podium - would stop a Virginia Tech or Sandy Hook incident: it isn't like on TV. The good guys with their pistols take out the bad guys with their automatic weapons; yea, right. Do we really want a populace walking around with deadly weapons, using them on occasion? Do we want this trend toward militaristic police and vigilantism in our society?
Yes if that's what it takes to stop people that should be in an asylum but thanks to Liberals they are on the streets.
I believe Reagan's era was when they told everyone they were cured and sent them to the streets in the name of smaller government.
If you really look at the tragedies you mentioned, the criminal kills themselves the minute police arrive, the minute an actual threat apposes them.
The Denver shooter specifically picked the movie theater that clearly displayed no guns allowed as apposed to 2 other theaters closer to his house that did not.
These attacks happen only at places where they know that there isn't anyone to shoot back for 5 minutes until the police arrive if we're lucky. For Virginia Tech, it took almost an hour to respond.
There are only a few places that concealed carry guns are not allowed. They must have the official state approved sign banning handguns; Any other sign means nothing. The only person who stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Drunken college students with a CCA? They should be well informed of the consequences should they be drinking and carrying their gun.
I've never understood the "drunk college kid" argument against concealed carry. Most people aren't getting drunk on campus, so these students already could have a license when they're getting drunk, they just can't bring their firearm into the classrooms..
I've never understood the "drunk college kid" argument against concealed carry. Most people aren't getting drunk on campus, so these students already could have a license when they're getting drunk, they just can't bring their firearm into the classrooms.
I think that this link answers every apposing argument to allowing guns on campus I've ever heard.
Excellent, excellent link, ftm1213!!! The best "No BS" source I've ever seen on the subject. Larry Correia has ate slept and breathed this from every angle, and knows what of he speaks. A long informative blog, but one of the first bits of info to jump out at me, "The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by law enforcement: 14. The average number of people shot in a mass shooting event when the shooter is stopped by civilians: 2.5. The reason is simple. The armed civilians are there when it started." That just blows the argument completely of all the naysayers.
I will be saving this link for future reference, and look to read more of Larry Correia's intelligent writings.
Of course we should allow teachers to carry weapons in class. I encourage teachers and principal's to be armed. Why are we waiting for the police to arrive and clean up the bodies. If we confront the monsters they will kill themselves or retreats. Gun control is out of the question.
The new 3 Rs of eduction: Reading, riting, and returning fire.
Anyone remember how highly charged KU students were in the days immediately following 9/11? They jumped to the assumption that everyone who looked like a muslim was the enemy. Just imagine what would have happened if students had been able to carry weapons on campus.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
Remember Kent State when troops were ordered to shoot unarmed students. Like in communist China.
Kind of like what happened in Connecticut. Guns have been the problem not the solution.
Look at Columbine .... again guns are the problem.
Look at how bigger guns are killing probably millions of innocent mothers,children,fathers in the war for oil control. Thousands upon thousands of our own military are coming home dead or disabled due to bigger war guns.
We arm the world with big guns yet where is world peace?
How have more and more guns brought peace and tranquility anywhere?
The USA gov't sells weapons to Turkey,Saudi Arabia and others who then sell these guns to
their factions of choice that sometimes come back and kill USA soldiers.
Sure more guns on campus so that perhaps a blazing exchange of gun fire can erupt in the name of saving lives. That would depend how many are caught in the cross fire.
More guns legally in the hands of racists and/or white supremacist groups ..... you bet.
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