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What's the problem? Clearly label the product and let the buyers decide. Oh, that would be free enterprise. My bad!
Agree. But we'll be told that's a regulation that would be a burden on business, it would cost jobs, it would be 'anti-buisness'.
How is "making" a seller do something free enterprise?
Clear labels are for wusses. It's fun to be surprised by whether or not you actually get what you pay for! Free enterprise circa 1868!
I don't agree with anything Brownback says.
Selective "sound science"...when it suits the message.
I don't like to see an ingredients list on the beef I purchase. If it's not 100% pure beef, I don't buy it. This is why I purchase half a cow at a time from a farmer I know and trust.
So you buy your meat on the hoof weight? You are paying for bone, head, horn, hoof, tail, entrails, huh. better check your processor for bacteria.
When I bought a cow, I didn't have to pay for entrails. They weighed it after slaughter - which was done at a safety inspected facility as required by law.
That is definitely the way it is supposed to work, chootspa... And if it isn't, it's time to get a new farmer.
I agree with some of what you said. "Clearly label the product and let the buyers decide." Caveat emptor, if I recall.
However, that works only if someone reads the labels of foodstuffs purchased in the grocery. What about the food schools feed children? Shouldn't we be able to control that, or is that an expense you're willing to absorb in the name of free enterprise? Additionally, how can you be sure the burger you're buying at (name your place) doesn't have pink slime in it? If that a chance you're willing to take?
Keep in mind that certain dyes and flavorings have adverse affects on behavior and growth, especially in children; hyperactivity and behavior disorders are just two examples. Children have enough problems without subjecting them to those additional difficulties.
I grant you the ultimate control is in what we cook at home. However, we need to extend that control and question what we eat outside the home.
My question for The Guv is which direction would he blow if the correct kind of conservative had raised the issue.
The beef in question is beef, 100% beef. Govt. regulatory agencies have deemed it safe. But this outcry has really hurt suppliers. Some people have a very hard time affording "higher quality" protein. This hysteria has hurt those people because many very large grocery chains have said they'll no longer buy this beef. As for school districts, they act as agents for people, and vast majority of them are VERY sensitive to parent concerns about food safety/nutrition. So it's not as though they have no incentive to buy products in a way that's acceptable to most people. They are not going to risk a big backlash.
Higher quality protein is actually very cheap. They're called beans.
So the ammonia etc. is an imaginary ingredient? Not to be mentioned on the package?
The ammonia hydroxide is in trace amounts. It doesn't affect you and it is not harmful to your health.
They could go back to selling it for dogfood, which is what they used to do before they decided the highly processed meat product was fit for human consumption.
If people are concerned about the "pink slime" because of the ammonia gas they spray on it, know this: that the ammonia gas they use is not harmful at all, in the way they use it, to consumers. My husband is an organic chemist; he said this "pink slime" is less harmful to you then the meat it is injected in. The meat it is in has not been treated as much as the "slime" to kill the bacteria. The "slime" has no bacteria after it is processed in this way.
If you are for conservation, then you should also be for the "slime." It is a way for beef manufacturers to use every last bit of the livestock. Would you rather they waste this perfectly good meat? Just throw it away? I thought to go green, you should use every last bit you can and not let anything go to waste unnecessarily. Hypocrites and ignorance is abundant in this media hey-day.
That's because the meat used for this is inherently more harmful - it has lots of e-coli - that's why they treat it.
As an environmentalist, I recommend a vegetarian diet - it's much less harmful to the planet than a meat based one. Then you don't have to deal with these sorts of issues.
Meat is meat. Eaten a hotdog or baloney lately? Sheesh. The Arch Club will kill you if you eat there every day and people worry about ground meat scraps.
No, I haven't eaten baloney for years, an all beef kosher hotdog maybe once or twice a year. No processed meat. Sometimes some uncured nitrate free bacon. I love meat but my health suffers if I eat the phoney stuff.
Its balogna. That is all.
Any idea what is allowed in your canned goods? Your bottled drinks? Fresh produce? Get over it. Unless you are growing/raising/harvesting it yourself there will be "foreign" material in your diet. Probably more if you grow your own.
If people are concerned about the "pink slime" because of the ammonia gas they spray on it, know this: that the ammonia gas they use is not harmful at all, in the way they use it, to consumers. My husband is an organic chemist; he said this "pink slime" is less harmful to you then the meat it is injected in.
Yeah, I can think of a whole list of crap "they" said was safe and then, wait, oh, that's right, turned out it wasn't. No, ya'll can keep your pink slimey carcinogenic meat scraps and I'll head to my neighborhood butcher. ICK!!
You shouldn't eat any processed meats then. Fresh meat from the butcher, that hasn't been sprayed like the meat in the stores (to make them look more appeasing), is of course healthier. That is where I prefer to get my meat too. Why doesn't Lawrence have a butcher shop? Or if it does, where is it located?
+1 to the Steve's suggestion.
There is another butcher in Lecompton as well, Steve's is great!
Also, the "slime" is natural. It is leftover meat, extracted from the scraps that the machines or meat-packers could not remove efficiently. So your statement about being safe once, only to find out it isn't actually safe is complete hogwash. Ammonia gas cannot harm you in the way it is used in this instance. It is not something that is opinion-based, but factual based on how chemicals work (which my husband is an expert at).
Um, if you'll reread my post you will see that's not what I really said, A. And B, the meat you're speaking of was considered dog food quality before they started spinning it in the centrifuge to extract it off the scraps. If you don't believe me, do some of your own research. And C, Ammonia is a carcenogen. I'm could give two sh*ts about what your husband says. Carcenogen means gross. U eat it, but to me no thanks. I'll stick with meat fresh from the butcher.
Well, my husband is an expert when it comes to chemicals, so I will believe him over you any day.
If you cook your meat on a grill or if you cook in a pan it, you are adding carcinogens to it.
It certainly is interesting on how you categorize meat into "fit for humans" and "fit for animals". How do you decide which is which?
I'm at high risk for colon cancer anyway, so now don't eat red meat.
I don't think I'll take advice about my food from a politician beholden to the industrial food system any time soon.
Here's an interesting article about the industrialization of beef written by an independent cattle producer: http://nobull.mikecallicrate.com/2012/03/28/pink-slime-dark-side-of-industrial-food-system-exposed/
Have you ever noticed that many times when they add stuff to food it makes it cheaper, but if they take it away, it's more expensive? Pink slime added - cheaper Calories and fat subtracted - more expensive. Just seems ironic to me.
PS I don't want to buy pick slime. If it's labeled that way, I won't buy it, but I also have enough money to buy good meat. I guess if I were poor, I would want a choice, but I think I'd rather eat beans.
Yes, it's weird.
Food that has been substantially processed is often less expensive than food that's been left in a more natural state.
It's odd to me - if you do less to a product, shouldn't it cost less?
By processing it, you can add cheap filler materials and lower the cost.
Same reason Gas with Ethanol is cheaper than 100% gas or Whiskey with water is cheaper than pure whiskey.
But doesn't all the processing add costs as well, in the form of labor and utilities?
Ethanol is only cheaper because of massive subsidies, as far as I know, as well.
If Brownback says something is good, it's got to be bad. Check his record.
The very name, "pink slime" is a real negative. I am assuming this is some sort of "inside joke or company slang that some of the vultures at ABC heard and piled on, It is a meat product from comjpletely safe leftovers from the mechanical machine processing and is no hazard whatsoever. But the gullible great unwashed hears the word "slime" and envisions some horrible, offensive material that the government dictators have been pawning off on the simple-minded rubes in Pomona. This unfortuante type of gross misinformation makes good fodder for the news mongers to continue to find sensationalistic drivel to keep their jobs wooing the unsuspecting public.
It seems to me no worse than sausage or brats. Mankind has forever used every bit of an animal. Should we turn wasteful because we can afford pure ground beef and have a reliable means of killing the bacteria in the remaining meat parts that have been ground into a meat product?
If the FDA believes the meat is safe and nutritious, we'd be foolish to not use it. As for students eating at schools, if the product is served, the parents should be allowed to opt out their children and have them served a different diet.
Parents can always opt to make their children's lunches to bring with them if they are concerned about the health and safety of school lunches.
Well, if the FDA were operating as it's supposed to operate, as an independent government agency, I might trust them more.
As it is, they're beholden to the same companies they're supposed to be regulating - large drug companies often pay for their research, and we've seen a number of FDA approved drugs on the market that weren't safe enough for my taste.
We only have three branches of federal government, so until we enact the "AnarchoMiscellaneous" branch, the FDA will probably remain under the executive. I don't think it can be an independent government agency.
I had to stop taking an NSAID a while back, and told the doctor I don't want to go back on because I share your concern about a lot of those drugs having their FDA approval revoked. Still, given the millions of products they regulate, they do to good of a job not allowing excessive numbers of people to die.
If anything, I think Americans suffer more because of the FDA's overly-difficult approval process.
By independent, I mean independent of large corporations.
At least 2 doctors have told me I'm right to not trust the FDA.
How many unnecessary deaths from lax testing are you willing to accept?
I doubt it is lax. You don't go to school for 21 years do shoddy work. You can get a job making the same money after 4 years in business school. What you blame on "lax", I blame on the greed of the corporate executives that misrepresent the data and the government employees that benefit from turning a blind eye to obvious abnormalities in the data. I expect CEOs to be crooks by default, but the politicians and bureaucrats are on our payroll and therefore more of our concern.
As for your second question (discounting lax research), out of 100,000 people in paid drug trials (and by that I mean the subject is paid), I'd accept maybe 5. The difference between us and our nearest primate relatives leaves enough difference in our DNA to prevent ever having zero fatalities in human drug testing. Pick a number or end testing.
What's your number?
We're saying the same things in a slightly different way - I also blame the combination of private companies funding the FDA, and the obvious conflict of interest there.
How many deaths from the problem mentioned above are you willing to accept, as drugs which shouldn't have gotten to the market get there? That's my question.
I would advocate for a "zero tolerance" policy on those - people that volunteer for drug testing are informed of the risks, and willingly choose to accept those. People that buy FDA approved drugs are in a different category, in my view.
The question is:
How does anyone know to what extent "Pink Slime" was tested?
Where did Gov Sam Brownback get his information?
From the meat producers perhaps? Does that necessarily make Gov Sam Brownback an informed politician?
Or does that indicate another source of campaign money?
Just keep consumers informed and products labeled accordingly. On the other hand food producers want reduced labeling regulations.
Soylant Green is people.
SG is in ObamaCare, I'm pretty sure.
With Green Slime for that natural "algae" look.
Overstated? Sensationalized? Irrational? Yeah.
Rules of life, do not worry about your hotel/motel room or visit a food processing plant.
Made the mistake of watching pickle relish being made.
Brownie is LIBERAL. He let's big business get away with whatever they want with no "conservative" control. Wasn't he elected to protect the people? He doesn't do a very good job of it. Oh Well, God will sort him out and set him straight. I have faith in that, at least.
Weird post. I like it even if it makes no sense.
More importantly, the Governor is elected to act as a state's executive (think CEO). Protecting the people may be a subset of his duties, but shouldn't be excessively more important than the others unless a large number of people are in immediate danger.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for God to do anything. That would be like waiting for the Easter Bunny to drop an egg in your yard.
Nonissue. Americans don't care much what they eat. Look at the fast food statistics for an example. This is just another form of beef. Get over it or grind your own burger.
You are so right. However, I would add that they do care about what they drink. Many will eat the all the junk foods they can but make sure they wash it down with a diet soda.
Organic whenever possible for vegetables, fruit, milk, eggs, and meat. And stay away from ground beef. It is much safer to go with a steak. Too much exposure and increased contanimation possible with ground beef. Eat a steak instead.
Brownbackside says "pink slime" has been around for decades. What he doesn't say is that before 2001 its only approved use was in pet food.
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